Pyro Ki84 performance issues

[Kaz]

In the last 2.01 patch, we’re just going to continue to make some fixes and there are some performance issues with the Ki-84 that I plan to change.

Can you go into further detail about what will be changed?

[Arlo]

Float like a butterfly

Sting like a bee

Accelerate like a missle

Roll like a spiral pass

Turn like tetherball

[SLO]

Lok you butt ugly island biatch...

how is the KI in AH?

[Karnak]

Originally posted by SLO
how is the KI in AH?

Slow but very agile.  323mph on the deck and 386mph at 20,950ft.  Climbs at ~3,750fpm initially and accelates pretty well at 200mph, but nothing to get exited about.  It turns well, though a Spit V will beat it.  The P-51 or P-38 will out turn it due to their combat flaps until the speed gets below 165mph and it can deploy it's combat flaps.

It performs very well in the verticle and it rolls very nicely, particularly at mid-range speeds where it can almost keep up with an Fw190 or F4U in terms of roll.

It's firepower is quite solid.  I find the guns to have a nice feel to them, better than the German guns.

[Urchin]

I'm kind of curious as to how the Ki will be nerfed too... it doesn't seem all that great.. it is a good plane, but it is no Spitfire.  Not even in the same category as the La-7.

[Karnak]

Urchin,

It may not be a reduced performace change that Pyro has in mind.  There are a lot of things that could be adjusted, some would help it and some would hamper it.

If I were to guess though, I say the adjustment will have something to do with it's stall speed and extreme low speed handling being too good right now.  It could also be a small bumb in speed, though 1mph to 2mph off the intended speeds doesn't usually get attention.

[Pongo]

I think its most likely to be improved with more engine power then tuned down in any way.

[Krusty]

Urchin, the Ki84 flies so well it gives the SpitV a real run for its money.

It is more than a match for a P38, and the few times I fought a P51D in a Ki84 I won.

It's way more uber than some think. And it's not a bad thing. We now have something to kill the La7, the SpitV, and still slow enough not to be listed with them in speed levels.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Krusty
We now have something to kill the La7, the SpitV, and still slow enough not to be listed with them in speed levels.

I'm not entirely sure you meant tho say the Ki-84 is slower than the Spit V, but it sounds like that is what you are saying.

The Ki-84 is a bit faster than the Spit V at all altitudes, increasingly so as the altitude gets higher.

It is 58mph slower than the La-7 at sea level though.

[MANDO]

Current Ki84 with 50% fuel climbs at 3900 fpm at sea level (166 mph) with a range of 114 miles. At 10k it still climbs at 3750 fpm and range increased to 115 miles (134GPH), all that without reheating the engine with WEP. Test done offline.

A SpitV achieve similar results only on WEP, 160 GPH, range of 54 miles. We be should compare Ki84 against SpitV with double the fuel load than Ki. That without considering the limited wep time of the Spit.

Now we have two miracle engined planes, Ki84 and Yak9U.

[icemaw]

Trim Trim and more Trim. Use the trim and you will soon be turning with anything at speed. I can pull black out turns at any speed.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by MANDO
Now we have two miracle engined planes, Ki84 and Yak9U.

How is that a "miracle" engine?

You make no sense.  The Ki-84's engine puts out a lot more power than the Spit V and you're surprised that it allows it to climb as well despite being heavier?

Icemaw,

Yes, that is true in the short term, but once the Gs drop to below the blackout threshold the American aircraft turn better due to their high speed combat flaps.  Once the speed drops to the point where the Ki-84 can get it's combat flaps into play it turns back to the Ki-84's favor.  The problem the Ki-84 has is that it is quite dificult to keep it that slow and you can easily find yourself above your flap speed and handing the advantage back to the Americans.

[Mitsu]

Pyro, you won't change N1K2-J's flight model in it?
IIRC busa mentioned it, it's not correct.

[oboe]

IIRC Pyro intends to reduce the Ki's climbrate to be more inline with its specs.   I believe they discovered (busa) that the climbrate isn't falling off with altitude as it should.

[Slash27]

Pyro, you won't change N1K2-J's flight model in it?

What thread?