Where do muslim extremists get new blood?

[VWE]

france... where else?

[Ripsnort]

It takes his killers two minutes and five seconds to saw off his head. In the small, dark living room where it's being watched, no one even flinches.

This is a recruitment video screened by a French convert to Islam (search) who is looking to bring holy warriors into the fold.

It's a scene increasingly common across Europe — young Muslims being tapped to fight U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq, a secretive process that can take months.

"It's definitely conditioning people slowly, over a long period of time for war, for holy war (search)," said political scientist Asiem El Difraoui.

In France, with more Muslims (search) than any other European nation — nearly 6 million — that recruitment often starts in the mosque and the ethnic ghettos that ring the capital.

[Airhead]

"Where do muslim extremists get new blood?"

We create Moslem extremists- every time photos of prisoner abuse are released, every time a wounded Moslem is shot, every time we drop a bomb- we are creating more extremists whose only goal in life is to kill us.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Airhead
"Where do muslim extremists get new blood?"

We create Moslem extremists- every time photos of prisoner abuse are released, every time a wounded Moslem is shot, every time we drop a bomb- we are creating more extremists whose only goal in life is to kill us.

You know, I agree, every time we fight back we just create more radicals.  Therfore we should do nothing and preferably withdraw from the world.  That way everything will be fine and the muslims will hopefully start killing the french again.

[Airhead]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You know, I agree, every time we fight back we just create more radicals.

Yes we do, Grun- but remember, through indocrination and religious zeal they hated us to begin with,only  now they have targets of opportunity upon which they can demonstrate their hatred of us.

In fact this is exactly why I've opposed the Iraqi war- all we're doing is putting targets on our kids chests, and every Moslem who hates us is hitchhiking, taking a bus or riding a camel to get to Iraq so they can shoot at us.

Do you honestly believe force is the way to win hearts and minds? Do you believe there's a snowball's chance in Hell that we can establish a democracy in Iraq?

I don't, but Bush has 4 years to prove me wrong- I'm betting it's another Viet Nam, we'll spend a few thousand lives of our best and our brightest, and eventually we'll be driven out.

Hope I'm wrong tho, but I've seen all this before.

[GRUNHERZ]

My point is that we cant just do nothing, even if no single course of action can produce ideal outcomes.

If we withdraw, then they will say they won and that they scared us off.  

If we fight back, then we are evil crusaders.

If we are nice to muslims and try to be good peace brokers then the terrosrists  use that time, the 1990s to be specific, to plan the worst attack against us...

I hate to quote Bush because he is such a terrible speaker but I think I understand why he repeated  "Its hard work" so often in the debates, it really is, there is no easy eloquent solution.

BTW I wanna clarify, I dont actually want french people to be harmed, execpt SAW....

[Maverick]

We can fight them here or over there. I'm an over there kind of guy. We were not fighting them before 9/11 in any  major way and they murdered over 3000 people in an unprovoked attack. As long as they are actively fighting over there I like it better than if they decide to come back over here.

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Maverick
We can fight them here or over there. I'm an over there kind of guy.  

That kind of thinking got us involved in Viet Nam.

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Airhead
"Where do muslim extremists get new blood?"

We create Moslem extremists- every time photos of prisoner abuse are released, every time a wounded Moslem is shot, every time we drop a bomb- we are creating more extremists whose only goal in life is to kill us.

The problem is that everytime one of them blows himself up, taking one of our people with him, there are extremists created over here, among our citizens, among our military, among parents of the potential soldiers of the future... No, we may not shout 'Allah akbar!' but we do see them as less and less human--and this is the at the core of any extremist rift.

The fact that we can kill them far more efficiently, while, simultaneously exercising so much more compassion for the lives of our own puts us into a kind of disadvantage in fighting a guerilla war--where every one of our deaths, in their eyes, more than justifies every one of their sacrifices.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by Airhead
That kind of thinking got us involved in Viet Nam.

No what got us involved in Viet Nam was trying to shore up the French as they were losing their colony. Later it was justified by Eisenhower as stopping the domino theory. The final aspect was the abortion lbj foisted on us.

A more critical difference is that the VC did not come to this country and murder over 3000 people.

[GRUNHERZ]

Neither did Saddam Hussein.  But retribution for 911 was not a reason behind the Iraq war...

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Neubob
The problem is that everytime one of them blows himself up, taking one of our people with him, there are extremists created over here, among our citizens, among our military, among parents of the potential soldiers of the future... No, we may not shout 'Allah akbar!' but we do see them as less and less human--and this is the at the core of any extremist rift.

The fact that we can kill them far more efficiently, while, simultaneously exercising so much more compassion for the lives of our own puts us into a kind of disadvantage in fighting a guerilla war--where every one of our deaths, in their eyes, more than justifies every one of their sacrifices.

I was looking at your avatar and couldn't help but wonder if you aren't the Bob from the Levitra commercial? The guy with the perpetuial woody? No biggie, cause Viagra is my recrational drug of choice, b ut I think it's kewl you have named yourself after your libido.

Rock on.

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Maverick

A more critical difference is that the VC did not come to this country and murder over 3000 people.

Neither did the Iraquis.

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Airhead
I was looking at your avatar and couldn't help but wonder if you aren't the Bob from the Levitra commercial? The guy with the perpetuial woody? No biggie, cause Viagra is my recrational drug of choice, b ut I think it's kewl you have named yourself after your libido.

Rock on.

Actually, I named myself after a character in a novel I was working on earlier this year--something I'm trying to get published at the moment. You're pretty close to the truth though, he was a walking libido.

Nash made me the avatar, so I am in debt to him.

[babek-]

Its a very good question.

Where do they get their new blood ?

Lets have a look at Pakistan - as one example:

Officially Pakistan is an ally of the anti-terror-front against Al Kaida and the Taliban.

For those who know that it was the same Pakistan under the same president of today which was the main supporter of the Taliban regime during the afghan civil war, this official statement always was an irony.

Especially in the pashtuni territory at the afghan borders there is still today much support for the Al Kaida, Bin Laden and the Taliban system.

Because these people all are idiots ?

No - its more complicated.

These region is poor - the people cant afford money to get medical care or even to send more than one of their many children to school.

And this is where the terrorist organisations step in. So called "welfare organisations", sponsored by money from rich islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, build hospitals and schools and offer these poor people to go there.

They dont have to pay money for medical treatment or for sending their children to these schools.
But there they are indoctrinated.

Little children learn to hate the USA and Israel, they learn that the highest goal for them is to become a Shaheed - a martyr for the Islam and that Osama bin LAden is a hero.

Day by day they have to learn the version of the Koran of these ultraorthodox fanatics.

And this happens in Pakistan - the ally of the USA in the war against terror.

And there the fighting against terrorism has to start.
The terrorists are clever - they use - or better: they abuse - the social problems combined with the money they get from supporter countries.

So - as long as countries like Saudi Arabia are allowed to pay these terror-education centres - there will be an endless flow of new recruits of suicide fighters and terrorists.