F4U-4 Guns

[nirvana]

Have the F4U-4's 50cals killing power increased?  I was in offline mode testing and it seemed to take about half as many bullets from an F4U-4 then a Pony.  Also in the MA they will swoop in rip me apart like they have 60 20MM instead of 50 cals.  Maybe its just my imagination but it seems to happen a good deal to me with every chance encounter of an F4U-4.

[wrag]

Pony guns are kinda strange.  Ever notice when 4 of em run out you still have some ammo in 2?

Pony guns don't all fire at  the same rate and your left with some?  So not puttin out quite so much lead?

[nirvana]

Maybe i am going to re-try with other planes with 6 50cals, F6F, other F4U models and see what i come up with.

[simshell]

iv not been flying for awhile here but i used to fly the F4U4 alot and its 50 cals are the same as the others from what i saw

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by wrag
Pony guns are kinda strange.  Ever notice when 4 of em run out you still have some ammo in 2?
 

The inner two mgs on each wing having 400 rounds and the outer mg 270 rounds.

edited for Pyro.

[Pyro]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
It should be the reverse.

The inner two mgs on each wing having 400 rounds and the outer mg 270 rounds.

Huh?  That is the way it is in the game.

As to the original question, they do use the same guns.

[whels]

Originally posted by nirvana
Have the F4U-4's 50cals killing power increased?  I was in offline mode testing and it seemed to take about half as many bullets from an F4U-4 then a Pony.  Also in the MA they will swoop in rip me apart like they have 60 20MM instead of 50 cals.  Maybe its just my imagination but it seems to happen a good deal to me with every chance encounter of an F4U-4.

HT says all fighter 50cals are the same, but i see differences.

P51 B and D are the weakest 50cal planes in the bunch.

on hitting power id rank 50cal planes in this order

#1  F6F
FM2
f4f
P47s
F4U-1d / -4
P40E
P38  (mgs only)
P40B
P51D
P51B


the differences have been here even in AH1

[Pyro]

There are actually two types of .50s found on U.S. fighters.  One is for a normal installation and one is for a synchronized installation.  The P-40B uses a synchronized installation which has a lower rate of fire than the normal version.  They are still the same in a bullet per bullet comparison.

As for them using different characteristics, that's not how the system works.  Lethality, rate of fire, muzzle velocity, armor penetration, etc, is not set on a plane by plane basis.  There's a weapon file that is set up with all that information.  None of that info is defined in any of the plane files, it just says go use this weapon for this hardpoint.  These planes(with the exception of the P-40B) are all set to the same weapon.  

Now this is not to say that your perception is wrong.  It's just that what you attribute as the cause of your perception may be what's wrong.  For example, compare the FM2 versus the P-51B.  They have identical guns(I did verify all of these).  Yet you note that one is much more effective than the other.  What other differences are involved that may account for the disparity?  Is it really that you are using different weapons or is it that you are using the same weapons in a different way or against different things?

[Jester]

Have to disagree with you on that one Whels.

I put a lot of time behind the gun sights of the Hellcat and Jugg with VF-27 & 325th FG.

I would have to put the Jugg at the top of the list. Usually just takes a snap of the trigger to shread just about any enemy aircraft if you have him solidly in the gunsight. Not many will stand up to the "Business End" of a Jugg.

Agree the Hellcat and Wildcat do have a good set of guns.

Might be how your conversion settings are set. If you train yourself to only fire when you are at that exact range you will find that 6x .50's on anything will be devestating. The attitude and angle of attack of you to your target has a lot to do with how your bullets strike as well.

I took the wing off a P-51D at a distance of 1.2 while flying a P-47D in AH1 so if you got the guns dialed in right they will work.  

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[Delirium]

I got a kill at 1.5 distance in AH1, its no big deal, but comparing AH1 and AH2 gunnery is comparing apples to oranges.

I'm not saying I agree with Whels, but perhaps the way the guns are situated on the wings can make a difference in lethality (and rightfully so). For example, the Spit I compared to the Hurricane; same amount of guns but the Spit has alot more dispersion as the guns are placed all along the length of the wing instead of side by side like the Hurricane.

Originally posted by Jester
I took the wing off a P-51D at a distance of 1.2 while flying a P-47D in AH1 so if you got the guns dialed in right they will work.  

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[nirvana]

Right, so it is just my mind playing tricks on me then I suppose.  Thanks for the help BTW i never have set my convergences so I guess i'll try that for once and give it a go.

[whels]

Originally posted by Pyro
There are actually two types of .50s found on U.S. fighters.  One is for a normal installation and one is for a synchronized installation.  The P-40B uses a synchronized installation which has a lower rate of fire than the normal version.  They are still the same in a bullet per bullet comparison.

As for them using different characteristics, that's not how the system works.  Lethality, rate of fire, muzzle velocity, armor penetration, etc, is not set on a plane by plane basis.  There's a weapon file that is set up with all that information.  None of that info is defined in any of the plane files, it just says go use this weapon for this hardpoint.  These planes(with the exception of the P-40B) are all set to the same weapon.  

Now this is not to say that your perception is wrong.  It's just that what you attribute as the cause of your perception may be what's wrong.  For example, compare the FM2 versus the P-51B.  They have identical guns(I did verify all of these).  Yet you note that one is much more effective than the other.  What other differences are involved that may account for the disparity?  Is it really that you are using different weapons or is it that you are using the same weapons in a different way or against different things?

i dont know what would account for differences.
i use same converg for all 50cal planes with all guns converging
@ 400 (used same in AH1 also).  i rarely shoot past 600 unless
trying to make a running enemy break. usually i fire 400 or less.

to me a F6 shooting a enemy within 400 dies quickly like 20mms
but P51D with same guns/converg, seems doesnt do near
the same damage. even a FM2 with 4 50s out shoots a D to me.

been same feeling even in AH1.  just seems a p51 when compaired to same gun planes, it is the weaker hitting.

[hitech]

Whels: My guess would be f6 & f2 produce more tracking shots then shaps with the p51.

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