Author Topic: Gun Facts (Read 991 times)

Terror · « **on:** November 30, 2004, 04:01:54 PM »

Here is a Gun Facts pamphlet. Gun control advocates, please read all 86 pages and respond. Lets hear some good arguments against the points in this pamphlet. Please hold the flames/trolls/HiJacks to a minimum.

Gun Facts v4.0 PDF

Try this link to find out more Gun Fact WebSite.

Terror

AWMac · « **Reply #1 on:** November 30, 2004, 04:05:38 PM »

86 pages???

No thanks, I'll wait for the DVD to come out.

Terror · « **Reply #2 on:** November 30, 2004, 04:11:42 PM »

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Originally posted by AWMac
86 pages???

No thanks, I'll wait for the DVD to come out.

OK. Well at least scan through some of it. You will find quite alot of interesting information.

Terror

Curval · « **Reply #3 on:** November 30, 2004, 05:23:16 PM »

Read 86 pages of lazsisms...no thanks.

hawker238 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 30, 2004, 05:36:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Curval
Read 86 pages of lazsisms...no thanks.

LMAO, that's what I was thinking.

Cue: ArrrRRRGHhhh, YOU CANT FACE THE FACTSS!!!111one

Nashwan · « **Reply #5 on:** November 30, 2004, 05:43:27 PM »

Whilst I've no intention of reading all 86 pages, I did have a quick look at the contents page, and went straight to the section on the UK.

As expected, it's either badly mistaken, or an outright lie. If they can't get their facts straight on that, what's the chance all their other facts are correct?

The bit about Britain:

Comparing crime rates between America and Britain is flawed. In
America, a gun crime is recorded
as a gun crime. In Britain, a crime is only recorded when there is a final disposition (a conviction). All unsolved gun crimes in Britain are not reported as gun crimes, grossly undercounting the amount of gun crime there.

(This is completely untrue.)

beet1e · « **Reply #6 on:** November 30, 2004, 06:54:49 PM »

Yes, Nashwan. And what's also worth remembering is that in Britain, if a criminal uses a replica gun (our gun control laws having successfully prevented him from getting his hands on the real thing) that is still recorded as a gun crime, even though (as it turns out) the weapon was not a gun at all.

Airhead · « **Reply #7 on:** November 30, 2004, 07:01:45 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Yes, Nashwan. And what's also worth remembering is that in Britain, if a criminal uses a replica gun (our gun control laws having successfully prevented him from getting his hands on the real thing) that is still recorded as a gun crime, even though (as it turns out) the weapon was not a gun at all.

So your gun laws have made handguns unattainable in England?

Bodhi · « **Reply #8 on:** November 30, 2004, 07:10:39 PM »

I like guns!

superpug · « **Reply #9 on:** November 30, 2004, 07:25:19 PM »

yes i like guns to. horay for guns.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #10 on:** November 30, 2004, 08:48:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
I like guns!

Me too!

Karaya

hawker238 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 30, 2004, 08:55:38 PM »

The only way to win an anti-gun vote is to shoot everyone who opposes your side.

Vulcan · « **Reply #12 on:** November 30, 2004, 09:04:19 PM »

Heres a Gun Fact for you.

The people who are neutral on this matter do not publish brochures, web sites, or other 'stuff'. So assume anything you read is:
a) biased
b) misquotes everyone
c) uses the statistics that only favour their point of view
d) skews the statistics as much as they can in their favour
e) when stating facts will always forget to mention the stuff that goes against their favour

Ripsnort · « **Reply #13 on:** November 30, 2004, 09:27:47 PM »

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Originally posted by AWMac
86 pages???

No thanks, I'll wait for the DVD to come out.

For the liberals, the DVD *is* indeed out. Its called "Bowling for Columbine" or "How I duped the left by splicing and dicing, then calling it a documentary"

Ripsnort · « **Reply #14 on:** November 30, 2004, 09:44:28 PM »

Beet1e? :

Myth: Britain has strict gun control and a low crime rate
Fact: Since gun banning has escalated in the UK, the rate of
crime – especially violent crime – has risen.

Fact: Street robberies soared 28% in 2001. Violent crime was
up 11%, murders up 4%, and rapes are up 14%.

Fact: Comparing crime rates between America and Britain is flawed. In America, a gun crime is recorded as a gun crime.

In Britain, a crime is only recorded when there is a final disposition (a conviction). All unsolved gun crimes in Britain are not reported as gun crimes, grossly undercounting the amount of gun crime there. To make matters worse, British law
enforcement has been exposed for falsifying criminal reports to create falsely lower crime figures, in part to preserve tourism.

Fact: A continuing parliamentary inquiry into the growing number of black market weapons has concluded that there are more than three million illegally held firearms in circulation - double the number believed to have been held 10 years ago - and that
criminals are more willing than ever to use them. One in three criminals under the age of 25 possesses or has access to a firearm.

Fact: Handgun homicides in England and Wales reached an all-time high in 2000, years after a virtual ban on private handgun ownership.

References:British Home Office, reported by BBC news, July 12, 2002
Gallant, Hills, Kopel, “Fear in Britain”, Independence Institute, July 18, 2000
U.K. Violent Crime and Firearm Ownership
Source: "Criminal Statistics, England and Wales 2000",
British Home Office