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Offline Krusher

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« on: December 02, 2004, 01:25:21 PM »
Its an open door to steal.

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OSLO (Reuters) - A study of a 2003 heatwave in Europe may give Pacific islanders and environmentalists new ammunition for legal cases blaming the United States for global warming, advocates said on Thursday.

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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2004, 01:27:04 PM »
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"Like tobacco lawsuits, it may take decades to be successful,"

Way to go, lawyers.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2004, 03:14:42 PM »
Ya know, if this kind of attitude (that which is exhibited by countries around the world towards U.S.) persists I'm afraid eventually enough U.S. citizens will adopt a "screw them" attitude and we could end up with an isolationist attitude reminiscent of the pre-wwii era in America.

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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2004, 03:20:06 PM »
If we just annex their islands to be used as nuke testgrounds, will their lawsuits go away?
Everyone I know, goes away, in the end.

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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2004, 03:24:03 PM »
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If we just annex their islands to be used as nuke testgrounds, will their lawsuits go away?


lmao guy... thats terrible but damn funny...

 
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we could end up with an isolationist attitude reminiscent of the pre-wwii era in America.


One could only pray for such happenings.. Even if it really were isolationist..


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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2004, 07:50:16 PM »
Kyoto is a crock.

The biggest polluter in the world is not a signitary... China.

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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2004, 08:21:10 PM »
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Kyoto is a crock.

The biggest polluter in the world is not a signitary... China.


Well duh......

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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2004, 10:22:11 PM »
You dont have neighbors.:rolleyes:

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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2004, 10:32:25 PM »
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No, why should we stop polluting when someone else won't?

That's a rather typical selfish way of thinking. My neighbour refuse to clean up his back yard, so I won't bother cleaning up mine ... or stopping the crap from spreading to my other neighbours.


because it's a matter of the fact that our income/way of life depends on our "neighbors" in this situation.

The truth of the matter is that this treaty is economic suicide.  Americans ARE willing to clean up but we want it to be fair so that if OUR economy is effected so is the rest of the poluting world.  GS the truth of the matter is while America is a poluter by fact, we have more laws preventing polution and regulating industry in our country than any other in the world.  

Look at California for instance.  When you OVERREGULATE you drive business away and you end up in a bunk economy.  Business moves to other states that don't regulate as much.  Same goes for the "world economy".  If business can manufacture in China for less they will.  China will reap the benifits and OVERPOLUTE at the same time.

Now how is that gonna solve the problem?

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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2004, 10:36:10 PM »
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Originally posted by GScholz
No, why should we stop polluting when someone else won't?

That's a rather typical selfish way of thinking. My neighbour refuse to clean up his back yard, so I won't bother cleaning up mine ... or stopping the crap from spreading to my other neighbours.




Its not about pollution GS it never has been, it is all about MONEY.   The bottom line with the Kyoto is it is an income redistribution plan.

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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2004, 11:50:31 PM »
Didn't read the article but will give it a go.

The carbon dioxide then we as humans will produce this year was equilivant to what happened at Mt. St. Helens.

A single volcano eruption produces more CO2 than we do in a year.  Human involvment account for well under 10% of the current CO2.

Furthermore, warming and cooling cycles happen.  They happened when we weren't here.  They happen when we are here despite our contribution.

Kyoto is a farce.  There is no direct proof that anything we do will help.  Is it worth billions of dollars to try to achieve a maybe?
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2004, 12:21:09 AM »
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Look at California for instance.  When you OVERREGULATE you drive business away and you end up in a bunk economy.  


You don't know a damn thing about the California economy.

If you don't like it get the hell out.

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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2004, 12:29:56 AM »
Terry Gerlach, a U.S. Geological Survey Scientist working on Mt St. Helens says that St Helens releases between 500 and 1,000 tons a day of carbon dioxide. He says that worldwide, people and their activities pump 26 billion tons of carbon dioxide a year into the atmosphere.  The total from volcanoes is about 200 million tons a year — or less than 1 percent of the man-made emissions.

This still has me scratching my head as to why glaciers have been retreating since the 1800’s, long before the amounts of CO2 released by man were as significant as they appear today.



Why the huge retreat of Montana's Sperry Glacier from 1913 to 1927?
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2004, 12:39:16 AM »


In this image, it shows that these Montana galaciers seem to have lost half of their 1850 area before WW2.
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