Author Topic: New Omega Drivers, Animated water no perf hit (Read 1051 times)

SNO · « **Reply #15 on:** December 11, 2004, 03:35:47 PM »

Shane, you do know about this site don't you? It tells which and what those services do
http://www.blackviper.com/

Shane · « **Reply #16 on:** December 11, 2004, 03:38:57 PM »

noooo really? yes, i know about blkviper, but omega is mum about what services *are* required to be running when you d/l his latest.

thx anyway... something is hosed with the "successful install' since i no longer have D3D (direct 3d) functionality.

214thCavalier · « **Reply #17 on:** December 11, 2004, 05:36:12 PM »

What can i say Kev if your getting double the frame rates then you are the only one i have seen claim that for a graphic card change.
Mebbe your 9800 install was fubar.
Many people here have said the same as me that a graphic card change from a decent one to the latest gains them f/all (in AH) but in other games it gains a lot.
I doubt your the only one here with a 6800GT but i have not seen anybody else claiming double fps improvements.

Actually as we have basically the same stuff bar vid cards i would be up for a fps comparison to see if Nvidia is better or not for AH.

acetnt367th · « **Reply #18 on:** December 11, 2004, 06:14:23 PM »

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Originally posted by 214thCavalier
What can i say Kev if your getting double the frame rates then you are the only one i have seen claim that for a graphic card change.
Mebbe your 9800 install was fubar.
Many people here have said the same as me that a graphic card change from a decent one to the latest gains them f/all (in AH) but in other games it gains a lot.
I doubt your the only one here with a 6800GT but i have not seen anybody else claiming double fps improvements.

Actually as we have basically the same stuff bar vid cards i would be up for a fps comparison to see if Nvidia is better or not for AH.

Ther newer cards will show a big difference with high settings of AA and AF . Having these both off will show much less difference

Kev367th · « **Reply #19 on:** December 11, 2004, 07:17:26 PM »

214thCav - As I have an unmodded 6800GT and your runnig your x800 at xt speeds, if I had an Ultra I'd say go ahead.

Most poeple don't want to play with flashing BIOSes and overclocking a brand new $400 video card.

Considering its more or less pointless as even the highest spec systems are likely to be CPU limited with anything over a 6800GT or x800.
For most people the already open 16 pipelines (standard on 6800GT) and moderately overclocked 6800GT (by manufacturer BFG) will be a better choice than the x800. If you don't mind flashing BIOSes and overclocking go for a x800, and don't forget the added cost of a better cooler for it.

As I said I did a lot of searching threads on rage3d etc and just didn't wanna start flashing a BIOS on a brand new $400 card to get it to 6800GT specs. Bearing in mind that 6800GT's will overclock if wanted to beyond Ultra speeds.
Plus the added aggro of finding the right make x800, most seemed to suggest the VIVO version was the best as it had the faster ram.

I can run same rez as my 9800PRO but with AA and AF on and still get 'on average' 2x frame rates. Never drops to the level of my 9800PRO without AA and AF.

As for the nVidia seeming to run AH2 better, a quick look through the threads will back up thats what a concensus feels. No-one knows why, just seems to be the way it is.

To be totally frank one of the main reasons I went to nVidia was because ATI's beta XP64 drivers still suck.

Not getting into an nVidia vs ATI match either. Now been on both sides of the fence, for what I wanted the 6800GT was the card for me, and I have NO complaints about its performance in AH2.

214thCavalier · « **Reply #20 on:** December 12, 2004, 02:51:03 PM »

Kev i am not interested in a match about who has the bigger dick either

Seriously i just thought lets see how the 6800gt stacks against what is basically an X800 xt (in AH only).

If they were close then obviously we would have to recommend the 6800gt as being the best buy for AH.

I was not intending to try and pass my card off as a standard X800 pro.

If AH really does favour Nvidias its quite possible the GT would be faster.

But its a minefield anyway agreeing on settings etc i guess.

acetnt367th · « **Reply #21 on:** December 12, 2004, 04:47:37 PM »

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Originally posted by 214thCavalier
Kev i am not interested in a match about who has the bigger dick either

That's good, cause you'll both lose. This award belongs to me

Rooster · « **Reply #22 on:** December 13, 2004, 07:57:08 AM »

Thanks for the feedback Cav and Kev. I will wait it out for awhile I think and struggle along with the 9800pro

Schutt · « **Reply #23 on:** December 13, 2004, 08:31:56 AM »

Would really like to see x800xt comparision to 6800GT.

Can you two agree on setting all to the same setting and reading our fps on a large smoking crowded field when you are online?

And, about one being overclocked or not doesnt matter much, can calculate that back by looking at results for other games.

Why not compare it? you so scared one card gives 5fps less than the other?

It would really matter though for the people that want to buy a new one....

Kev367th · « **Reply #24 on:** December 13, 2004, 09:44:21 AM »

Can give you a taste.
Sitting in the tower of a burning smoking carrier I get 100fps (fixed by vsych).
Using 1024x768x32, AA and AF on.
Animated water on.
Max detail range = 3 miles
All sliders on the end 'l' of level; not this one------>level <-------that one.
Using 1024 textures cached in main memory.

214thCavalier · « **Reply #25 on:** December 13, 2004, 11:50:59 AM »

Jeez, well uh yea i will i just gotta wait to find a smoking carrier.
Kev what level of AA and AF are you using ?

Kev367th · « **Reply #26 on:** December 13, 2004, 12:03:38 PM »

Driver Settings-
4xAA, 2xAF
Trilinear Mipmaps
Image Quality High

Game Settings
Just realized it's not 'level' on the sliders, but whatever the word is that ends in 'l', thats where I have my detail set at on both, right on the 'l'.
Everything else as per previous post.

214thCavalier · « **Reply #27 on:** December 13, 2004, 03:15:01 PM »

Ok copying Kevs settings and btw i could not play at 1024 its horrible

All tests 4x AA quality
2 AF all other settings in drivers at max quality.

1024 res refresh rate is 120 and locked.
Tower of burning CV default view.
106 fps.
Any other view from tower varied between 106 and 120.

1280 res, refresh locked at 100
100 fps.

1600 res, refresh locked at 85.
85 fps including spit rolling at the time, however the cv had stopped smoking by now.

I know to be more accurate refresh needed to be unlocked but i stuck to Kevs original test.

Take it for what it is just a rough guide, same type and speed cpu and one Nvidia 6800gt v an X800xt radeon.

Either card will get you great game play.

Kev367th · « **Reply #28 on:** December 13, 2004, 04:01:30 PM »

I guess you would expect a factory x800 to perform slightly worse due to 4 less extra pipes and lower clock speeds.
Of course at 6800GT by any other manufacturer apart form BFG will also perform slightly worse due to BFG supplying cards pre overclocked (20mz core overclock).

Goes back to-
If you don't mind flashing the BIOS on a brand new x800 and overclocking go for the x800.
If you do mind it, get the 6800GT manufactured by BFG, has the 4 extra pipes by default, and comes with a mild (20mz) core overclock from BFG and still a LIFETIME warranty.

Looks like similar performance between the 6800GT (stock) and x800 (unlocked and overclocked). As Cav said either will get you great gameplay.

Both similar price range $399, seems like decision should be based on whether you want to risk BIOS flashing a brand new nearly $400 card.

Still think Cav and I are both CPU limited, don't think the 3500 can push either card to its limits.

Works fine with 1024 textures here.

Always have vsync on due to the 'rubber bullet' syndrome. I think a test with it off would not be helpfull for the majority of players, as it appears majority have vsync on.

Cav - Do you think we need mipmaps enabled in drivers for game when it's an option in the game setup? I would have thought either/or but not both.

Think Cav and I will both agree that preloading textures into system memory works for the AMD64's only due to the low latency high transfer rates of the AMD64 on die mem controller. Will prob take a performance hit on a P4 or AMD XP system.

214thCavalier · « **Reply #29 on:** December 13, 2004, 06:28:53 PM »

Never considered the mip maps before will try it.
Btw some manufacturers are now supplying X800Pro's with full 16 pipes enabled. (At least in the UK)