Dive bombing foramations

[JB42]

There has to be something done about this. Number one is the divie-bombing heavies. Thats just gamey. But even dive-bombing twin-engine bombers is lame. HTC should look into coading* it where if you select formation in the hanger, then that should enable a limiter on the ability to dive bomb.

Yes I know that there are many RL examples of multiple twin-engine bombers dive-bombing a target. The difference is that each of those planes were subject to the crew's interpretation of how, when, and where to drop to hit target. With the current setup, all three bomb loads are directed by a single pilot. Why not have a selection in the hanger to triple a single bombers loadout?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by JB42
There has to be something done about this. Number one is the divie-bombing heavies. Thats just gamey. But even dive-bombing twin-engine bombers is lame. HTC should look into coading* it where if you select formation in the hanger, then that should enable a limiter on the ability to dive bomb.

Yes I know that there are many RL examples of multiple twin-engine bombers dive-bombing a target. The difference is that each of those planes were subject to the crew's interpretation of how, when, and where to drop to hit target. With the current setup, all three bomb loads are directed by a single pilot. Why not have a selection in the hanger to triple a single bombers loadout?

I agree.
Last night I chased down a set of divng B24s that were damn near vertical.
I may even have it on film.
This is getting beyond rediculous

[Overlag]

its so easy to set up the bombsite now, it really dont understand why people still have to dive bomb.

[Scaevola]

Originally posted by Overlag
its so easy to set up the bombsite now, it really dont understand why people still have to dive bomb.

They do it because it's lame and an easier way to get a kill, I had a B-24 the other day chasing me around a copse of trees, first of all he tried to get me with a couple of passes dopping a couple of 500lbs a time this didn't work so the next couple of passess were carpet bombing. The bugger still missed me as I'd moved to the next copse along by that time.

There has already been a lengthy thread on the ethics of dive bombing heavys as part of the game and those that used this tactic quoted a couple of real life instances when this happened, then they seemed to run out of steam and resorted to name calling.

We all know that dive bombing heavys (especially on GV's) isn't really in the "spirit" of the game but it's an unfortunate part of numerous online games that the "spirit" of the game being played isn't a major consideration. Some people will always take the easier path and use dubious tactics.

The only probable way to stop this in AH2 is coding/patch and as mentioned in the previous thread, it would be better if the team at Hitech spent their time doing meaningful improvements rather than chase around trying to fix "ethical" loopholes in the game play.

I've heard my own country men ranting and raving about this on 200 calling people lame but I never see them calling their fellow country men lame when they're sitting watching them do the same.

Tar and Feather the lot of 'em

[mechanic]

anyway, if you want a tank dead, just stick a 500lb'er on your fighter and drop it on the GVs head before going off to find some HO'ing LALAs.

its much easier, more realistic and way more rewarding to gain some skills in attack bombing than this pathetic game breaking tactic in heavy buffs.

[Westy]

"They do it because..."

...they can.  


 Some play3rZ pathetically attempt to rationalise this dorky behavior as..


1) ... HTC has not done anything to stop it then HTC is permitting )and in thier mind endorsing) the practice

2) the ends justify the means. The  "we gotta win this war poepl! dudeZ.

3) a B-24/B17/Lancaster did in fact drop it's bombload while diving in one mission during WWII. In trying to make the exception the rule they conveniently skip the part where the RL "dive" was 5-10deg and not the near verticle 45-90 they perform.  And they also lamely try to pass off low level "skip bombing" as "diving"


 It's an"airquake" mentality that has taken over in AH.

PLEASE HURRY UP "TOD"

[JB73]

personally i subscribe to the theroy that only about 15%-20% of the MA population ever reads the news, or the BBS in general, and they have no clue the bomb sight model has changed.

heck we have squaddies we push and push to tey and get them to just at least come read the squad forum... some after over 2 years playing dont know where to find it, or have no interest.

if in a squad of over 20 and only 3-5 regularly read even just parts of the BBS, and ALL are encouraged to, how many of the silent masses have never even heard of the bulletin board?

they just do their auto updates, and play the game, never even knowing about the readme.txt files installed with each release, let alone the announcments on the BBS.



thats my theory

[Urchin]

Why do people still fly 10 feet off the deck to bomb when they could be at 20k?

Why ask questions when the answer is obvious?

[Raider179]

I fly low bombers sometime and I will tell ya why. I always try to not divebomb and will use a shallow angle.

Most fighters over a base it seems like are less than 7k and I like shooting fighters down in my buffs.

I fly high alt and almost always no high alt fighter cap..so I spend an hour getting to target 2 mins leveling the base and then fly home. naw thats no fun. I would rather barrel in through a swarm of enemy fighters. Having myself or a gunner taking them out like a redneck swattin flies and then take out whatever targets make themselves available. (ammo, troops,vh,fhs, bomb vulch, gvs)

Dive bombing is pretty gamey I will agree but there is no excuse for letting low level bombers through. I find the aircap if there is one is usually facing toward the closest friendly base. Therefore just like a goon you come in from an unexpected direction and there you go. Thats why I like to go get a 190 and sit out where I think bombers may try to penetrate at. Usually pays off.

I think the CV ack needs to be juiced. Fields are tough enough to capture without a horde now they dont need better ack.

[mechanic]

Originally posted by JB73
personally i subscribe to the theroy that only about 15%-20% of the MA population ever reads the news, or the BBS in general, and they have no clue the bomb sight model has changed.

heck we have squaddies we push and push to tey and get them to just at least come read the squad forum... some after over 2 years playing dont know where to find it, or have no interest.

if in a squad of over 20 and only 3-5 regularly read even just parts of the BBS, and ALL are encouraged to, how many of the silent masses have never even heard of the bulletin board?

they just do their auto updates, and play the game, never even knowing about the readme.txt files installed with each release, let alone the announcments on the BBS.



thats my theory

i would like to take this oppertunity to call every one of those guys complete and utter morons. if they fail to reply to this post within 24 hours, they agree to sign all thier worldly possesions to me.

thank you, have a nice day

[frank3]

I agree with raider about the fun. Climbing for an hour and getting action for only 5 min is not rewarding, no matter how realistic it is.

[Stang]

Originally posted by frank3
I agree with raider about the fun. Climbing for an hour and getting action for only 5 min is not rewarding, no matter how realistic it is.

That's bs, you can climb to a target in a buff en route and get at least 8-9k before you drop, and it only takes you an extra couple minutes to get there.  The reason poeple divebomb is becuase they will not take the 2 secs to learn how to do it right, even though it's in easy mode now.  It's not they can't do it, they simply won't.

[Stang]

It does have to do with the mentality of the player as well.  Though he wasn't in buffs, Stonecut was very proud the other night that he was able to sink a CV by strafing it with a 110 (really no different in tactic than the low buffs).  Never mind the fact that it took him something on the order of 30 hops in the 110 to do it, he suceeded and went on ch200 like he was the coolest thing to ever rock the virtual world.  I was like, wtf, you gotta be kidding me?  Yeah, players like this think it actually takes skill to down a cv in this fashion.  This kind of attitude and sheer lameness perpetuates the suicide diving buffs and the auger jabo strafers.

[JB42]

I have no issues with level bombing, actully the lower you are the better for me. If i'm in a FG, you wont make it, if i'm in an osty one bomber might make it and if i'm in a fighter(most likely above you) all i can say is GAME ON!

The issue is dive-bombing. Not sure about the not being able to level bomb issue. I have shot down or got proxies and a lot of good bomber pilots I know can level bomb. The issue i think comes down to two reasons.

1) It is indeed hard no matter what the calibration procedure is to hit a CV that is turning. They dive-bomb it so the don't have to release until the last second and and therefore being able to hit the ancticipated location of the target.

2) The increase in speed, or for better reason, the difficulty of an interceptor to close the gap on the bombers to shoot them down. Also this increased speed allows the gunner to have longer to hit the fighter because that closure is slower now.

GAMEY!!!!!

[Anchor]

I'm one of those who have no idea a bombing model has change, don't know how to dive bomb a buff, and gv all the time to provide ample targets for them.

However, it is hard for me to complain about the realism when AH2 allows me to spawn gvs that close to a base.

I'm not complaining either way, I'm just saying there are a LOT of elements of this game that are not realistic, but its still the best game out there IMHO.

If a buff wants to play low, I'm spawning an OSTIE.