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Offline StarOfAfrica2

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« on: December 10, 2004, 05:52:01 PM »
Federal safety regulators have asked DaimlerChrysler AG to recall 600,000 Dodge Durango and Dakota trucks because their wheels could fall off, a Chrysler spokesman confirmed Thursday.

The investigation involves Durango sport utility vehicles and Dakota pickups from the 2000 to 2003 model years. Chrysler spokesman Max Gates stressed that the vehicles haven't yet been recalled. The company is planning to respond to the government's request early next week, he said.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration made the recommendation, first reported by CBS News, after investigating reports of upper ball joint separation on dozens of vehicles. When the upper ball joint separates, the suspension can collapse and the wheel can fall off.

There are reports of several crashes but no injuries due to the issue in NHTSA's investigation file.

Gates said Chrysler recognizes there is a problem with the upper ball joints, but "we do not think it rises to the level of a safety defect."

Gates said a vehicle owner would hear noise coming from the vehicle well before the upper ball joint failed. Mechanics also will find out if an upper ball joint needs repaired during routine maintenance, Gates said.

Gates said if the upper ball joint fails, it is most likely to happen at low speeds and during turns.

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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2004, 06:03:30 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2004, 06:14:18 PM »
Its a myth that a vehicle needs all 4 wheels...

Damn whinners - "I only have 3 wheels!!" wah wah


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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2004, 07:38:32 PM »
I don't consider Durangos and Dakotas "trucks".

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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2004, 08:00:43 PM »
And to think, for years I've only been warning my friends about the junk transmissions they use and the poor quality transfer cases on the 4x4s.  Its the dang WHEELS I shoulda been worried about.  At least with the Ford Explorers it was just the TIRES, they could blame that on someone else.

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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2004, 08:47:30 PM »
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At least with the Ford Explorers it was just the TIRES, they could blame that on someone else.


Ford designed the tires and required them to be built to their specs.

Firestone blamed Ford, Ford blamed Firestone.

At least that's what my understanding of the situation is. But hell, I could be wrong, it would only be the 14th time today. I still got a few more to meet my quota.

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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2004, 08:55:54 PM »
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Ford designed the tires and required them to be built to their specs.

Firestone blamed Ford, Ford blamed Firestone.

At least that's what my understanding of the situation is. But hell, I could be wrong, it would only be the 14th time today. I still got a few more to meet my quota.


Well, you're wrong.

Ford SPECIFIED tires.  Firestone designed them.  Ford chose to use a cheaper tire than that recommended by Firestone, but Firestone went along with the deal.

You would be surprised how much vehicle design is farmed out by all the automakers these days.  Denso, Bendix, Lear, etc, etc, provide systems to the makers, completely designed.

It really was both their faults.

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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2004, 09:25:25 PM »
Other vehicles are STILL fitted with Wilderness AT's.  What never became mainstream is the fact that the majority if not all of the rollovers were 2wd models.   I witnessed tread seperation outside of Toronto on a Mineralogy trip to Bancroft in 1996.  The vehicle?  1997 F-150 2wd.  Firestone can blme Ford all they want, Ford doesn't make tires.   Mind you, the seperation occurs when you are EXCEEDING the RATED SPEED of the tire.  

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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2004, 02:42:05 AM »
Actually, the manufacturers COMPLETELY control the design of tires.  Not on the drawing board, but with the contracts they hold out.  Tire technology is as good as it gets.  But what the manufacturers buy is almost never top quality stuff.  Manufacturer of BrandX Trucks goes to Tire Company Z and says "I want a light truck tire for my new line of trucks.  It has to do light offroad use, have good highway handling, deal with all kinds of weather, hold up for so many minutes if it goes flat, to meet federal guidelines, blah blah blah."  Tire company Z says "We already have a tire that does all that, here it is.  The AllterrainZ.  It costs $."  

Problem is, BrandX Trucks wont pay $.  They pay PEANUTS.  

Tire companies are hurting bad these days.  Demand is down.  Technology has increased to the point where productivity is at an all time high.  So is quality.  They dont have to throw away as many because fewer fail the quality tests.  They can make more in less time than ever in history.  But they also last longer, so secondary tire sales have dropped.  Sales of new cars are down, so they need fewer tires for new car production.  Every contract is necessary to stay alive.  So when the BrandX Truck Co. says "We will give you a contract, but only if you can make the tires for this amount instead of what you want,"  they have to find a way to cut corners.  So instead of the high quality tires you COULD get, the high quality tires that are stacked in rows and rows in a warehouse at Tire Co. Z's facility, your new vehicle gets the crap tires that BrandX was willing to pay for.

This happens every day.  Its not limited to Explorers, its not limited to Firestone Wilderness AT's, its not limited to any one company or any one brand of tire from that company.  Every design made for manufacturers of new cars these days is a gamble waiting to roll snake-eyes.  Firestone just cut the wrong corner, and the nightmare all the tire companies were waiting for happened.  Luckily for the Auto makers, Firestone played the game afterwards and didnt blow the whistle on the whole shebang.  That would have KILLED new car sales if people believed it.  Then NOBODY sells tires.  Nice thoughts huh?

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2004, 02:47:54 AM »
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Other vehicles are STILL fitted with Wilderness AT's.  What never became mainstream is the fact that the majority if not all of the rollovers were 2wd models.   I witnessed tread seperation outside of Toronto on a Mineralogy trip to Bancroft in 1996.  The vehicle?  1997 F-150 2wd.  Firestone can blme Ford all they want, Ford doesn't make tires.   Mind you, the seperation occurs when you are EXCEEDING the RATED SPEED of the tire.  

Karaya


Other vehicles with the same named tire have not had the rollover problem.

Also, it was not the speed rating of the tire that was in question. The problems occured when the tire was underinflated. Speed was an issue in the incidents, but underinflated tires cannot handle the speeds that properly inflated tires can. The max speed rating of the tire wasn't exceeded in most of the cases.

Of course again, I could be dead wrong, but this is what my understanding of the issue is.

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2004, 08:54:08 AM »
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I don't consider Durangos and Dakotas "trucks".


Thats ok I dont consider Pickups (any make) to be Trucks either.

And no I dont have a Duragno or a Dakota.

I DO however have a 2000 full sized Dodge Van which I am very happy with.
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2004, 10:19:31 AM »
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Other vehicles with the same named tire have not had the rollover problem.

Also, it was not the speed rating of the tire that was in question. The problems occured when the tire was underinflated. Speed was an issue in the incidents, but underinflated tires cannot handle the speeds that properly inflated tires can. The max speed rating of the tire wasn't exceeded in most of the cases.

Of course again, I could be dead wrong, but this is what my understanding of the issue is.


I never said other makes and models had rollovers, I said other makes and models use those tires.  I should have clarified.  

It's the responsibility of the OWNER to properly inflate the tires.  BTW, that F-150 that had tread seperation was only a week old.   I beg to differ on speed issue.  Just like the guy who rolled his Bronco 13 times and won a court case.  We now live in the land of "Why blame ourselves"?  

I own a 2004 Explorer.  I am not worried about a rollover.  I also what to do in the event of a blown tire, most people don't.

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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2004, 10:20:27 AM »
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Thats ok I dont consider Pickups (any make) to be Trucks either.

And no I dont have a Duragno or a Dakota.

I DO however have a 2000 full sized Dodge Van which I am very happy with.


I give that Transmission in your van 80,000 miles, and then strange things will start to happen.

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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2004, 11:10:17 AM »
I have a 1997 Dodge Dakota 4x4 that has 130K miles and the list of things that have failed on the truck is really short:

Starter Relay at 15K miles
Radiator at 100K miles
WaterPump at 120K miles

Nothing else has failed on the truck.  It's on its 4th set of tires, 3rd set of brakes, 4th battery, and 10th set of wipers.  Overall, it has been a great truck.

Guess there is always an exception to the general rule...

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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2004, 11:43:53 AM »
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I give that Transmission in your van 80,000 miles, and then strange things will start to happen.

Karaya


Yea?
Cool!

then it will have lasted 4 times longer then the last ford I owned (new tranny at 19K) and 2 times longer then the last Chevy without a major problem. (rebuild at 40K)

also had a Saturn that needed its engine replaced after 30K

And a Chevy Corsica (Worst car ever owned) who's oil pump died at 15K, and the motor mounts (if you can call two bent peices of sheetmetal motor mounts) broke
Waterpump died at 10K

Keep in mind all these vehicles were meticulously maintained as per manufacturers reccomendations. and none were driven "Hard"
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