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Offline HoHun

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« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2004, 01:27:32 PM »
Hi Furious,

>Which loadout would have preferable for strafing, 2 20mm  or 8 .50 cal?

The US Navy preferred the 20 mm Hispano for strafing because the 12.7 mm guns tended to jam when firing long bursts. I believe they figured that 1 x 20 mm was as good as 3 x 12.7 mm, but I'm not certain I remember that right, and it might have been 2 x 12.7 mm instead.

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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2004, 02:00:38 PM »
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Originally posted by HoHun
Hi Furious,

>Which loadout would have preferable for strafing, 2 20mm  or 8 .50 cal?

The US Navy preferred the 20 mm Hispano for strafing because the 12.7 mm guns tended to jam when firing long bursts. I believe they figured that 1 x 20 mm was as good as 3 x 12.7 mm, but I'm not certain I remember that right, and it might have been 2 x 12.7 mm instead.

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Henning (HoHun)

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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2004, 07:59:52 PM »
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Thx, Mr Williams
one more question
US try to fit 20 mm cnnon to f4u, f6f, p51C but postwar F84 had .50 cals onboard too, reason was effectivenes of mg or lack of technology in production of cannons?


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« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2004, 10:34:15 PM »
ty Tony

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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2004, 12:34:33 AM »
On a side note Tony
Do you know what the 20mm cannons on the Saab J29 Tunnan where? All I could think were 151/20s but the big article on it in the new International Air Power Review didnt say the type.

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« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2004, 07:32:04 AM »
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On a side note Tony
Do you know what the 20mm cannons on the Saab J29 Tunnan where?  


They were the m/47c, which was the Swedish designation for the HS.804 - a modifed, Swiss developed version of the good old HS.404 (Hispano) which fired the same 20x110 ammo.

The Swedes also used in different installations at around that time the m/45 and m/49, which were variations on a Bofors short recoil design broadly comparable with the HS.804 and using the same ammo.

All this and much, much more in 'Flying Guns – the Modern Era: Development of Aircraft Guns, Ammunition and Installations since 1945', of course! :)

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« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2004, 11:56:28 AM »
Thanks..
Hispanos..interesting.
I am still digesting your WW2 book. Thanks Tony.