Author Topic: Problem with Il2 / A20 / Other light bombers... (Read 602 times)

lasersailor184 · « **on:** December 12, 2004, 07:46:50 PM »

I've been thinking about it recently. I believe that in a plane like the Il2 / A20 / Boston you shouldn't have an external view.

With very little practice I can hit a moving tank with a single bomb using the external view. This is why I think you should get rid of the external view. Or at least make it so that you physically cannot see what the people inside are unable to see.

ALF · « **Reply #1 on:** December 12, 2004, 08:28:31 PM »

I can hit a moving tank without an external view.........

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 12, 2004, 11:09:08 PM »

Sure, the point being was that it becomes much easier with the external view. Hence it's sort of like cheating.

Howitzer · « **Reply #3 on:** December 13, 2004, 02:32:56 AM »

Really? Just curious what do you use to aim? I only remember trying it when I was brand new in AH1 ... but just wondering.

Tilt · « **Reply #4 on:** December 13, 2004, 05:59:27 AM »

I would agree...........

I think the whole attack/bomber issue should be looked at..........

The Il2, ju87, A20, val, SBD etc are pure attack ac and should not have a bomber button and should not have external view IMO.

A re classification of fighter/attack/bomber and some of the stuff enabled when they are used could solve (or partly solve) many ills.

But even going part way would IMO be progress.

Presently we have

Fighters

Fighter/Attackers

Attackers/Bombers.

Bombers.

We have no classification which is "Attack" only yet we have a group of ac (as above) which are clearly this.

To define stuff.

Bombers

Level bombers which may/may not be flown in formation. When this category (bomber)is chosen bomb release should only available from F6. External views enabled.(this "switch" could also be used to introduce AoA limitations to bomb release when in bomber category)

B17, Lanc, B24, B26, Ju88, Ki67, Kate, TBM, Bostons, Ar234 (C47 if it could be given an F6 jump door view)

Attackers/Bombers

Dual purpose versions of the above. When the attack option is chosen then formations, F6 and external views are disabled and bomb release is only available from the cockpit.

B26, Ju88, Ki67,Kate, TBM, Bostons, Ar234

Attackers

Pure attack ac release stuff from the cockpit and have no external view.

Il2, ju87, SBD, Val, A20,(C47 if it does not get an F6 jump door view?)

Fighter attackers.

My view would be to put any fighter with ordinance selected into an attack category automatically.

Fighters

Fighters with no ordinance selected can chose fighter category.

I would wish further that perks were set to show an Attack category in addition to fighter/bomber/GV. Then to dive bomb with a chog, tempest or a 234 some perks should be risked that could not be traded with fighter or bomber points.

Effects would be various........

Less likly hood for dive bombing formations.....

No more dog fighting IL2's/A20's from the external view....

Balancing of attack functionality between fighter/attackers and pure attackers. (eg Mossie & A20 )

Clearer score definitions for fighter/attack/bomber roles....

Ghosth · « **Reply #5 on:** December 13, 2004, 02:07:02 PM »

Wouldn't bother me either way.

I can hit stuff from the inside of the A20 better than from the outside.

I don't think it really gives that much advantage in attack planes.

Zanth · « **Reply #6 on:** December 13, 2004, 02:40:44 PM »

Once you have correctly identified the aiming interior point, there is no advantage to bombing from exterior view - in fact I would think that you probably miss more.

NoBaddy · « **Reply #7 on:** December 13, 2004, 03:37:32 PM »

I believe the external view is only enabled for planes with multiple crew members and the point is to simulate the greater degree of visiblity you get with extra eyes.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 13, 2004, 03:56:38 PM »

It is. But in the Il2 and A20, there's no person that's able to look forward and down.

Tilt · « **Reply #9 on:** December 13, 2004, 04:42:30 PM »

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Originally posted by NoBaddy
I believe the external view is only enabled for planes with multiple crew members and the point is to simulate the greater degree of visiblity you get with extra eyes.

SA when dog fighting an IL2 or A20 is massively increased in external............beyond what any gunner could see or communicate so rapidly to a pilot.

SA when dive bombing is also massively aided as direction of pull out is quite critical in many instances.

It would be more realistic (than external) to allow the gunner views to be accessed via the POV when in the pilots seat............

eg look back would be the fixed 12 view from the tail gunner.......

Urchin · « **Reply #10 on:** December 13, 2004, 07:47:58 PM »

I like that idea Tilt.. you should email it to them to make sure they get it.. I think it is really great actually.

Well, the first part anyway, dunno about the attack perks.

cobia38 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 13, 2004, 10:14:40 PM »

I tryed divebombing cv,s in both ar234 and a20 in external veiw and missed every time,but isually get good hits internal, go figure:eek:

Octavius · « **Reply #12 on:** December 14, 2004, 12:23:46 AM »

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Bombers

Level bombers which may/may not be flown in formation. When this category (bomber)is chosen bomb release should only available from F6. External views enabled.(this "switch" could also be used to introduce AoA limitations to bomb release when in bomber category)

B17, Lanc, B24, B26, Ju88, Ki67, Kate, TBM, Bostons, Ar234 (C47 if it could be given an F6 jump door view)

Attackers/Bombers

Dual purpose versions of the above. When the attack option is chosen then formations, F6 and external views are disabled and bomb release is only available from the cockpit.

B26, Ju88, Ki67,Kate, TBM, Bostons, Ar234

Attackers

Pure attack ac release stuff from the cockpit and have no external view.

Il2, ju87, SBD, Val, A20,(C47 if it does not get an F6 jump door view?)

Fighter attackers.

My view would be to put any fighter with ordinance selected into an attack category automatically.

Fighters

Fighters with no ordinance selected can chose fighter category.

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I'm with Urchin on this one - email it Tilt

This is a fantastic idea... have you posted it before? I'm getting dejavu.

Octavius · « **Reply #13 on:** December 18, 2004, 06:55:46 PM »

bump for those responsible for lowering my IQ on channel 200.

CavemanJ · « **Reply #14 on:** December 18, 2004, 09:58:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Tilt

SA when dive bombing is also massively aided as direction of pull out is quite critical in many instances.

How do you figure? I don't even try to divebomb with the A20 in the external view. Much, MUCH easier from inside with reference points. And I set up my attacks so I know which direction I will be pulling out. External view makes no difference in the attacks.