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Offline detch01

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« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2004, 02:37:52 PM »
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The UN has become a bloated bureaucracy and lost it's effectiveness. It should be relegated the role of feeding starving nations and little else.

If the UN was religated to this they'd just spend their time and money debating the definition of "starving" and "nations". Same-old, same-old.  

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« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2004, 03:26:54 PM »
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I have not seen anyone yet address the jist of the article itself.


Perhaps because the article is barely worth commenting on.

Just as an example:

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The list of hijacked U.N. organs goes on. The General Assembly operates through six committees of the whole. One of them, the Fourth Committee, routinely devotes 30 percent of its time to the condemnation of Israel.


So 1 of 6 committees devotes a third of it's time to the Israel/Palestine problem. Assuming all committees are equally important, you get one third of one sixth of General Assembly committee time is spent on the issue, or just over 5%.

But saying 5% of General assembly committee time is spent on the Israel/Palestine issue doesn't sound quite so bad, does it?

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Every schoolchild or member of the public who walks into U.N. Headquarters today (and the entire month of December) will be greeted by a large display in the front entrance put on by that main U.N. body, the Committee on Palestinian Rights.


So a display is mounted in the UN foyer for a month about the Palestinians. Considering the issue has been festering for nearly 60 years, I'd have thought it would get a display every so often.

Or is the whole issue one that should be swept under the carpet and never mentioned?

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How (or why) is it that this world body has devoted so much time/money/resources to promoting the Palistinian cause, and so much time/money/resources condeming Israel?


I'm sorry, I don't understand the premise behind the question.

The UN is the body that basically created Israel in the first place. I'm unaware of any resources spent on condemning Israel, other than people sitting around talking about it.

The UN has called for peacekeeping troops for many much smaller conflicts, and hundreds of thousands of peacekeeping troops have been deployed worldwide.

What's unusual about such a long running international conflict is that the UN hasn't yet called for peacekeepers, which is due to the intervention of the US and Israel, which would not allow them.

What the author of the article is ignoring, and hope you will ignore as well, is that the UN has no mandate to get involved in internal affairs of a country. It was set up to facilitate peaceful relations between countries. Few of it's memebers would be happy if it was allowed to intefere in purely domestic affairs.

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How is it that they have not yet been able to come up with a simple definition for "terrorism?"


How is it America never did?

An Arab killing Americans, Europeans or Jews was always a terrorist to America. An Irishman killing British people, well that's a "complex issue", and said Irishmen visited the US, were guests of honour at St Patrick's day parades, etc.

I could try to dig out a photo of Gerry Adams, leader of the most active and bloody terrorist group in post war Europe, meeting Clinton and shaking his hand at the White House.

The US allowed fund raising for the IRA in the US, and never moved to prevent it (in fact, it still goes on, to fund the dissident republican groups behind the Omagh bombing)

So if the US can't define terrorism, how is the UN< which is composed of over a hundred member states, supposed to?

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« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2004, 03:56:28 PM »
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lol.. and you wonder why some people cant stand americans



Umm actually.... NO, I do not wonder that.


What I do wonder is what you saw in my statement to make you think of that.  What exactly did you find offensive?  The part about where it's time for the euro's to look after their own security? strike to close to the hurtful trruth for your comfort?

Or was in the comment about the rampant anti-semitisim in the UN?   Are you an anti-semite?
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« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2004, 04:01:17 PM »
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I could try to dig out a photo of Gerry Adams, leader of the most active and bloody terrorist group in post war Europe, meeting Clinton and shaking his hand at the White House.


As an American, I apologize for the U.S having Bill Clinton in power.
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« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2004, 04:07:49 PM »
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Umm actually.... NO, I do not wonder that.


What I do wonder is what you saw in my statement to make you think of that.  What exactly did you find offensive?  The part about where it's time for the euro's to look after their own security? strike to close to the hurtful trruth for your comfort?

Or was in the comment about the rampant anti-semitisim in the UN?   Are you an anti-semite?


Calling the EU army a joke, calling the UN a vessel for jew and america haters and finally that us "kids" should start taking care of our self.

None it hurts my feeligs tho cause its _all_ bull.

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« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2004, 04:11:42 PM »
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Calling the EU army a joke


well let's approach this logically.  How many wars has this army fought?  Been deployed to?  Been in existence?


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calling the UN a vessel for jew and america haters


We just disagree here, but then that's to be expected.  I'm an American, you are an America hater and a UN apologist.
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« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2004, 04:13:08 PM »
Oh children, children....

Lets just sum this up and get it over with.....You don't like us and our opinions and we don't you guys and yours...

Frankly I don't care anymore...little of the outside world affects my daily life right now..maybe more people should have that attitude..maybe worry about whats going on in our own houses and communities.
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« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2004, 04:14:45 PM »
I'll only speak for myself ASTAC.  I do not  dislike the Euros.
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« Reply #38 on: December 14, 2004, 04:21:45 PM »
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 I'm an American, you are an America hater and a UN apologist.


Do you know this is the exact same rhetoric the communists have used for years ?

And to make the Godwin's Law more perceivable the Nazi also used this kind of rhetoric...

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« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2004, 04:21:51 PM »
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I'll only speak for myself ASTAC.  I do not  dislike the Euros.


I don't REALLY dislike em much either..just getting annoyed is all.

I think my other point is valid though
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« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2004, 04:25:54 PM »
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Do you know this is the exact same rhetoric the communists have used for years ?


No, and I do not believe you.
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« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2004, 04:31:25 PM »
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well let's approach this logically.  How many wars has this army fought?  Been deployed to?  Been in existence?


 

We just disagree here, but then that's to be expected.  I'm an American, you are an America hater and a UN apologist.



So you have to actually fight a war to be taken seriously?


America hater and UN apologist.... I see that you are either bating, never read my posts about america and/or just can't separate critisism from hate.

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« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2004, 04:35:36 PM »
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No, and I do not believe you.


In fact it's pretty simple :


I'm an American, you are an America hater
===> end of discussion.


I'm an Communist, you are an Communist hater
===> end of discussion aswell.

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« Reply #43 on: December 14, 2004, 04:44:31 PM »
You said the commnists have been using that rhetoric for years.  I have never heard that, and you are uanble to substantiate it.


In short, your full of merde.
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« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2004, 04:55:05 PM »
Va chier connard.

You see I can be rude easily, plus as it's my native langage I can post pages of insult easily than you.

Let get back to the dicussion, they even invented a definition for this : see google

I'll post you some example thursday as I've to sleep and I won't be on the net tomorow.