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Offline Kev367th

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« on: December 13, 2004, 04:38:15 PM »
Had a few intersting hours called "Spitfire Ace".
Three things struck me -
1) Most experts had their guns synched at 150yrds.
2) One guy flew with a little rudder trim on to throw off shots.
3) 36 kills attributed to LW were in fact friendly fire.
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Offline Nuke33

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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2004, 01:28:47 AM »
I saw the last half of that show tonight. There were some really cool camera shots of the spits in flight.

I wonder if that rudder trim trick would work in AH.. Hmmmmm

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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2004, 10:07:06 AM »
Remember from the content of the show, that this was during the Battle of Britain, and the Spits involved were equipped with 8x .303cal MGs...not the later war .50cal MGs and 20mm HS Cannons.

In these small rifle-caliber MGs, the velocity and energy of the individual bullet falls off very quickly beyond about 300-400M. By staying close-in, more of the kinetic enegy is delivered to the target, rather than lost due to aerodynamic drag.

Also, accurate gunnery is easier to acheive when closer to the target, and you don't have to worry as much about things like tracer burn-out, and ballistic trajectory arcs. In combat, simpler is always better.

Interesting that the winner of the training fly-off squeeked by on the subjective evaluation of the instructors; in that he had a better and more natural "feel" for the aircraft than his competitors.

In their view, he simply "knew" when he was making a mistake, was able to describe the mistake to his instructors & take the steps necessary to correct the mistake, and never made the same mistake twice.

In regards to the rudder trim, I don't recall the context precisely, but I think he was using it as a defensive technique not an offensive one.

From what I recall, I believe he was using the trim to cause the aircraft to fly in a crab-wise attitude "hands-off". This would force him to constantly be applying a bit of corrective rudder pedal input in normal maneuvering.

I'm unsure, but did he believe this would give him an edge and allow him to be a more difficult target for anyone engaging from directly behind, or was it simply a technique to allow him to clear the the horizontal and vertical stabilizers upon bail-out?

I didn't quite get his point I guess.

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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2004, 02:21:55 PM »
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In regards to the rudder trim, I don't recall the context precisely, but I think he was using it as a defensive technique not an offensive one.

From what I recall, I believe he was using the trim to cause the aircraft to fly in a crab-wise attitude "hands-off". This would force him to constantly be applying a bit of corrective rudder pedal input in normal maneuvering.

I'm unsure, but did he believe this would give him an edge and allow him to be a more difficult target for anyone engaging from directly behind, or was it simply a technique to allow him to clear the the horizontal and vertical stabilizers upon bail-out?

I didn't quite get his point I guess.

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It was defensive only.  His explanation was that to his attacker his Spit appeared to be flying in a direction it wasn't actually going, ie it was moving with a bit of crab.  If the attacker lead the target he would be firing at a point that his Spit wasn't actually going to go through.. and so he'd miss.

I thought it was neat seeing this old guy, who probably hadn't flown a Spit in 50 years, get in and be at one with the plane like that 50 years had been reduced to a week.

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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2004, 02:47:55 PM »
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I thought it was neat seeing this old guy, who probably hadn't flown a Spit in 50 years, get in and be at one with the plane like that 50 years had been reduced to a week.


THat part at the end brought tears to my eyes.  Thinking back on what the young men of that generation went through....(grabs another tissue....)

Anway, yes, the rudder trim thin was strictly a defensive thing to make the enemy miss if he got jumped from the rear.  He specifically said that he had to remember to straighten the plane out when he got ready to shoot.