P38G and P38J and a reworked P38l

[streetstang]

The Ox is in the wind and the mountain bloweth the Frog.

[killnu]

Mits, i of course was only kidding

and

i dont care what 38 we get, any would be greatly appreciated.  would like an early J, even a late J...bah  i dont care, just give me one.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Waffle BAS
You p38 dweebs be sure to check out the new 38 sounds in wafflesounds 3.2. Even Akak said they are the best 38 sound he's heard in any flight simulation


of course, he could be joshing and never even downloaded it  - lol

I was serious.  In any flight sim I've played that had the P-38, they never sounded as good as the sounds you just put out.  They sounded so good that I found myself taking some hops just to hear the engine purr.


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[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by streetstang
The Ox is in the wind and the mountain bloweth the Frog.

The chair is against the wall.  Johnny has a new mustache.



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[streetstang]

The spot is on the floor, the camel is loose in the back yard.

[SlapShot]

The lights are on the tree and Jeff ate all the wings ...

[Kweassa]

Question: just how much does the dive flaps effect the plane in real life, and how much does it effect in AH2?

 I'm by no means experienced in P-47Ds or P-38Ls, but empirically, in case of the P-47D-40 I hardly notice any real difference in handling when dive flaps are turned on.

 Being used to Bf109s I'd say I know how 'limited in dive speeds' feel - the P-47D-40 seems to handle very well in pitch response at all speed ranges, and frankly I've never bothered using dive flaps in the D-40.

 On the contrary, I can't feel any kind of difference between dive flaps raised or lowered, in the P-38L. If I step over a certain line the plane will refuse to pull up without sufficient trim input.

 In IL2/FB, it is very different. When you engage dive flaps in the P-38L the plane would immediately pull up, almost doing a loop by itself. So naturally, in IL2/FB there was a reason to prefer the P-38L over the P-38J. The P-38J locks up at high speeds, and the slight speed penalty was worth it in the P-38L - the dive flaps really made a lot of difference.

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 So, just how much is the dive flaps supposed to help?

[Yippee38]

Originally posted by Waffle BAS
You p38 dweebs be sure to check out the new 38 sounds in wafflesounds 3.2.

AWESOME Waffle!

[laz]

Ohhhh boy.... P38J is bad news betty.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Kweassa
Question: just how much does the dive flaps effect the plane in real life, and how much does it effect in AH2?

 I'm by no means experienced in P-47Ds or P-38Ls, but empirically, in case of the P-47D-40 I hardly notice any real difference in handling when dive flaps are turned on.

 Being used to Bf109s I'd say I know how 'limited in dive speeds' feel - the P-47D-40 seems to handle very well in pitch response at all speed ranges, and frankly I've never bothered using dive flaps in the D-40.

 On the contrary, I can't feel any kind of difference between dive flaps raised or lowered, in the P-38L. If I step over a certain line the plane will refuse to pull up without sufficient trim input.

 In IL2/FB, it is very different. When you engage dive flaps in the P-38L the plane would immediately pull up, almost doing a loop by itself. So naturally, in IL2/FB there was a reason to prefer the P-38L over the P-38J. The P-38J locks up at high speeds, and the slight speed penalty was worth it in the P-38L - the dive flaps really made a lot of difference.

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 So, just how much is the dive flaps supposed to help?

IIRC, the dive flaps in the P-38 would pitch the nose up 3 to 4 degrees.  

In AH, if you have the P-38 elevators trimmed to neutral and use the dive flaps, you'll see the nose pitch up.  Of course, using Combat flaps negates the positive pitch the dive flaps give you.

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[Kweassa]

Only 3 degrees???

[eilif]

ive been flying the p38 f in target rabual and been having a ball dumbfounding medium skill zero pilots, i can do a rolling scisors all day in that baby, just bounces along, not sure if its the tw fm or what but its fun to fly, ive flown the g and cant see a huge difference, tho it is slightly lighter.  
i heard somewhere that the earlier p38s turned better. any truth to that?

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Levier and Mattern both said the dive flaps made a big difference to them. They were able to dive to around .72 Mach and recover without undue drama. Of course, while Levier was a good test pilot, he freely admitted he was no combat pilot.

Stan, Art, and others, all said that after the P-38J-25-Lo entered service, they pretty much felt free to dive from any height. Whereas before they were not at all enthusiastic about diving from much above 20K. Art said they were regularly used to get a good bit of nose up pitch during combat to get a gun solution. I think it was Art who called them speed boards.

There is much arguement about what the flaps were capable of, and what the pilots did with them. Pilots I know said that even above 25K, they'd drop the dive flaps and chase an enemy right on down to the deck if they wanted, without any worries of compressing and diving into the ground. Many will dispute this vehemently.

[Ack-Ack]

I heard the F was the best of the turners but the worst in the vertical.  


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[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by eilif

i heard somewhere that the earlier p38s turned better. any truth to that?

Some, maybe. The J and L models were heavier, with more power, the earlier models were lighter, and had less power.