Author Topic: Related to combat flight sims, pure insanity (Read 1491 times)

moose · « **Reply #15 on:** December 16, 2004, 03:48:01 PM »

i have relatives that would turn over in their grave if they knew this was happening.

slimm50 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 16, 2004, 03:50:10 PM »

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Originally posted by moose
i have relatives that would turn over in their grave if they knew this was happening.

You mean the dead ones, I hope?

1K0N · « **Reply #17 on:** December 16, 2004, 04:04:41 PM »

Does that also mean any race game with a ford, dodge, or chevy in it will have to move to say the flintstone car error or would Hanna Barbara litigate..

Charon · « **Reply #18 on:** December 16, 2004, 04:32:57 PM »

I remember one of the cars in Grand Prix Legends had this issue. I wonder what the law is on this and how it applies given the age, history and format. Is it ok to use in a history book which is read for enjoyment as well as educational purposes and sold at a profit? What about WW2 fiction which is more entertainment than history. What about the role these games do in providing "living" history of an educational nature in addition to the entertainment?

Is there any established law here or just the threat of deep-pocket expenditures trying to find out?

I still can't believe a major corporation is doing something that at best offers a minimal licensing return yet has the potential to be a real embarrassment on a highly emotional subject among many potential shareholders. A competent PR professional would have shut down the lawyer and found a way to have a proactive and promotional relationship with game developers. I wonder if Microsoft has an hand in this -- cut deals with the current companies and have them do the dirty work on the competition [from speculation at the simHQ site]. Par for the course if so.

BTW, if there is some sort of grandfather clause at work I would hope HTC drops everything to get the F6F-3, P-47N/M/C out with the next patch, even if very rough renditions.

Charon

Heater · « **Reply #19 on:** December 17, 2004, 02:08:27 AM »

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Originally posted by 1K0N
Does that also mean any race game with a ford, dodge, or chevy in it will have to move to say the flintstone car error or would Hanna Barbara litigate..

Already happend with the NASCAR & F1 games

moose · « **Reply #20 on:** December 17, 2004, 02:10:55 AM »

any chance of finding out if this affects AH/HTC at all?

Waffle · « **Reply #21 on:** December 17, 2004, 02:54:27 AM »

I've have yet to see anywhere a "North American" P51d Mustang...only a plane designated as a P51D. -

Infact, I don't see any "trademarks" that point towards a certain manufacturer or company. We get the military designations - that's it. Even in Help section - no info on the engine....but im not sure. About the only thing I could see close to to "copyright" infringement would be the data cards on the b27, b24.

I think this message board would have a better chance of getting the lawyers looking at it than Aces High

Wotan · « **Reply #22 on:** December 17, 2004, 02:57:04 AM »

Its more then an intardnet rumor, there's some substance there. But unfortunately these things take on a life of their own.

But that said FB was a great game before the Ami planes, FB/AEP/PF is a great game now without the F4U-4, P-61 and P-47N. It will continue to be a great game for those of us who are enjoy the Eastern Front.

Hopefully Oleg will clear it all up.

Wotan · « **Reply #23 on:** December 17, 2004, 03:41:08 AM »

Welll the rumor is true, IAN (who has worked closely with Oleg on various projects for IL2/FB/AEP) made thsi post over at UBI:

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=114;t=002258

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Yes, it's true

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Further US aircraft are unlikely for the reasons suggested in other threads.

I think the companies are crazy.

Damn shame for you farm bois. With BoB in the works this means no Ami planes or the vaunted med expansion.

LLv34 Jarsci · « **Reply #24 on:** December 17, 2004, 03:44:42 AM »

Sheesh.. what can you say except whats better than one lawyer in the bottom of the river??

... Ten more?

Just plain ridiculous. My guess is that this kind of world will destroy itself in near future, somehow.. Maybe oil runs out and ***** hits the fan or sumthin..

What is most frustrating is that 1 % of people who are most loud, most stupid and all low words you can even think about, make themselves visible and make everything to run by their rules.. then rest of people just try to live on.. wait the day when people just get pissed to these frellheads....

Waffle · « **Reply #25 on:** December 17, 2004, 04:13:20 AM »

quick! pull the commercials off of TV...we'll just hide out until it blows over....lol

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #26 on:** December 17, 2004, 06:42:39 AM »

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But that said FB was a great game before the Ami planes, FB/AEP/PF is a great game now without the F4U-4, P-61 and P-47N. It will continue to be a great game for those of us who are enjoy the Eastern Front.

It's easy to say that, but I bought Pacific Fighters for an Avenger and 4 models of a B-25.

There's a lot of things missing from the Pacific, and we'll never see them because of this. Fantastic.
-SW

Wotan · « **Reply #27 on:** December 17, 2004, 06:55:37 AM »

Yeah, I can see where you are dissappointed by the PF flop but that was a direct result of Luthier's mis-management and unrealistic expectations that 'volunteer' modellers would do things correctly and on time.

Oleg ended up taking over PF development for the most part. I was never interested in the Paciific and since the DS patches came out I haven't bothered one sortie on a pac server. I bought PF to keep up with future expansion (Kurland and Murmansk maps ju88, italian planes, pe2 etc...) and to get rid of the stupid muzzle explosions.

It seems with hindsight Oleg should have said to hell with the Pac stuff and filled up the wholes in the East front plane set while working on BoB. PF set back BoB and is the origin of his copyright problems now. He might have gotten away with a few p47s, p51s and p38s. Add all them blue planes and show one getting shot down on the box cover its bound to piss off someone.

Flyboy · « **Reply #28 on:** December 17, 2004, 06:59:12 AM »

hi guys, i am not going to read 5 pages worth of posts, can someone give the "short version" of the story?

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #29 on:** December 17, 2004, 07:16:02 AM »

I'm interested in all fronts, I like to be able to switch around when one gets too stale - I hate the Yak's because their armament is crap for the most part. I like the I16s though, early LaGG, and early La5. I think it's the asymmetrical line up of the single MG in the Yaks that really gets me, throws off my aim for some reason.

I like Carrier ops, and the Pacific is an interesting theater. Not to mention several of the planes in the Pacific are Lend-Lease on the Eastern Front too - A20s, B25s, early P39s, early P40s, etc.

Now, I wonder if we are going to have the current US aircraft after the next patch...
-SW