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Offline Wotan

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« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2004, 07:16:03 AM »
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hi guys, i am not going to read 5 pages worth of posts, can someone give the "short version" of the story?


No one knows for sure. Apparently there are some trademark and/or copyright  infringements by UBI and Maddox games.

It would appear that UBI will no longer publish or distribute add ons for FB/AEP/PF if they contain Ami planes. Apparently Ami aircraft coporations are upset over the inclusion of some Ami planes in PF. What exactly they are 'upset' about is unclear.

What it means is Oleg will not release any add-ons in the west that contain Ami aircraft. But he has hinted that there will be a Russian Language release in Russia only. UBI doesn't publish/distribute the game in Russia. The rest of the world will have to do with out them.

At least thats how I read it...

I am sure some will correct me if I am off base.
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Offline Shane

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« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2004, 07:58:13 AM »
the gist of what i got was pratt and whitney is the culprit...  my confusion about the matter is... wtfgas about P&W's threats since you can't even see the damn engines.

if i were oleg, i'd set up a small office in America and then simply claim, 1st amendment rights due to being a public "figure" and ummm parody... yeah... or public domain...

do they even make the same engines these days?

just do it and tell the lawyers to stuff it... see how far it would actually go in court...  not very...
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« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2004, 07:59:53 AM »
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Offline AKS\/\/ulfe

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« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2004, 08:05:08 AM »
It's not P&W.
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« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2004, 08:25:47 AM »
Wotan, looks like even the Eastern Front won't be expanded anymore for the westerners.

From Oleg: And 100% sure Russian market will get Pe-2 series flyable with many new ground objects and map as pay add-on. Unfortunatelly can't tell about western market. It depends of our publisher decision.

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« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2004, 08:36:37 AM »
THE SKY IS FALLING

THE SKY IS FALLING

THE SKY IS FALLING



very doubful that Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Vought Aircraft Industries, and Lockheed Martin will risk the backlash of negative PR over a frivolous lawsuit.

my bet is that this Oleg character did something that offended them and that is why this has gone so far.
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« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2004, 08:44:15 AM »
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« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2004, 08:44:54 AM »
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Wotan, looks like even the Eastern Front won't be expanded anymore for the westerners.


The publisher is UBI, UBI isn't making money off Oleg any more so they might not distribute anything else until BoB, if that...
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« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2004, 09:08:10 AM »
Weird that AMI planes will not be allowed in sims when R/C manufacturers pour out a model after another modelling P38, P-40 etc..  what about them?

And R/C planes crash a lot.. I got a first had experince:D
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« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2004, 10:30:55 AM »
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
It is official
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Sure is a real official announcement there...

Sorry, I am just not buying into this.
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« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2004, 10:33:05 AM »
Well, whatever. Ianboys works with Oleg, and Ilya, for maps and other projects. He's in the know.
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Offline Furious

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« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2004, 11:29:32 AM »
Russian developer, French distributer.


...maybe?
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Offline AKS\/\/ulfe

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« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2004, 11:31:39 AM »
Freedom fries?
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« Reply #43 on: December 17, 2004, 11:37:51 AM »
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very doubful that Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Vought Aircraft Industries, and Lockheed Martin will risk the backlash of negative PR over a frivolous lawsuit.

 


Yeah, it doesn't make alot alot of sense to me either.

These companies have not enforced these 'rights' for over 50 years.   Are they going to sue every model and toy manufacturer also?

What are their damages?  This doesn't seem the same as a video game involving a car that you can go out an buy and that a compnay has spent millions on producing brand image.
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« Reply #44 on: December 17, 2004, 11:43:50 AM »
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Yeah, it doesn't make alot alot of sense to me either.

These companies have not enforced these 'rights' for over 50 years.   Are they going to sue every model and toy manufacturer also?

What are their damages?  This doesn't seem the same as a video game involving a car that you can go out an buy and that a compnay has spent millions on producing brand image.


Thats another good aspect MZ, the fact that they have not EVER enforced any type of CR restrictions in the history of the concept.  Kinda establishes a precedence... that makes this seem all the more fishy.

As for AKswulfe saying that this Oleg character and the Ian guy being in the know... if they really were in the know and this was really happening, they should have had the intelligence to:

A: follow their attorneys advice and say NOTHING.

B: call the news.... hell they'd love to slap a corporate giant for something like further examples of corporate greed

C: make an official release.  Not some half witted responses on a stupid message board.  

Which further makes me believe that this hold off in releases is either a political ploy on oleg's part, or that it is about a monetary issue for the developer not paying for future addons...

My bet is the latter.
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