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« on: December 19, 2004, 11:07:32 PM »
12/20/2003

Calif. Man Shoots Cop Then Kills Self While in Custody

SAN BERNARDINO: The sheriff says he wasn't searched properly. The suicide was videotaped.
By TIM GRENDA AND IMRAN GHORI / The San Bernardino Press-Enterprise

MUSCOY, Calif. -- A man who shot and wounded a San Bernardino County sheriff's deputy during a traffic stop in Muscoy on Friday morning killed himself an hour later while alone inside a sheriff's interview room with a pistol he apparently sneaked into the building, officials said.

Sheriff Gary Penrod said officers failed to adequately search the man, identified by the San Bernardino County Coroner's office as Ricardo Alfonso Cerna, 47, of San Bernardino.

The deputy shot during the traffic stop, Mike Parham, 31, is in critical but stable condition and is expected to recover, officials said.

In an extraordinary move, a 13-minute surveillance-camera video that included footage of the man's suicide was shown by the Sheriff's Department to reporters, the leaders of local Latino groups and officials from the Mexican consulate to quash any questions regarding the department's treatment of Hispanic subjects.

The video shows Cerna pulling a .45-caliber handgun from his pants and firing one shot into his left temple.

"The best way to dispel any rumors was to have the media view this tape," said Undersheriff Bob Peppler.

The video, which sheriff's officials said was unedited, begins with Cerna being brought into an interview room where Sheriff's Sgt. Bobby Dean uncuffed him and had him sit in a chair in front of a table.

Cerna, looking tired and disheveled, only spoke briefly and in Spanish, replying to questions from Dean.

He leaned down on the table on his right arm for much of the time, occasionally rubbing his head, his nose and eyes with his hand, and coughing a few times. His eyes were downcast, only looking up a couple times when speaking to Dean. He responded with a short, tired laugh when Dean asked him the Spanish word for wallet and he responded " cartera."

At one point, Dean took Cerna out of the interview room for about four minutes to have his fingerprints scanned electronically. The man was brought back shortly because the machine wasn't working at the time, officials said.

Shortly after they returned, someone brought in a bottle of water and a cup of coffee for Dean. Dean stepped out of the room, leaving Cerna alone.

Cernasat down with his back against the wall, took the cap off the water bottle, took two gulps, and put the bottle down. He started breathing heavily, pulled a large handgun from the front of his pants with his left hand and shot himself in the left temple.

The video ended with an expletive from Dean off camera.

Search called inadequate

Penrod said deputies failed to adequately search Cerna before he was put in a car, and again when he was transferred to the homicide division office. Each receiving deputy may have wrongly assumed the previous officer adequately searched the man, he said. Names of the arresting officers were not released.

Ron Martinelli, a police consultant and legal expert on law enforcement cases, said by phone Friday that the man should have been searched twice, stripped of his clothes, and put in a jump suit before he was ever put into an interview room.

"If they do a good search, and take his clothes, and put him in a jumpsuit, there's no problems of him not being handcuffed," he said.

Martinelli said 38 percent of all officers killed in the line of duty since 1980 died as a result of not doing a search, or doing a poor search, of a suspect.

Penrod said confusion among the three agencies involved - the Highway Patrol, San Bernardino police and the Sheriff's Department - may have contributed to the oversight.

"Obviously there was a mistake made," Penrod said by phone Friday. "It was hectic and it was a guy who was cuffed by somebody other than the transporting officer.

"Now we've got some procedural issues that we need to address - where did things go wrong," Penrod said. "I'm just glad this guy didn't kill anybody else and that our deputy is going to make it."

Traffic-stop shooting

Parham, the deputy shot by Cerna during the traffic stop, was in critical but stable condition with a wound in the abdomen that damaged his liver, stomach and lungs, Penrod said.

The injuries are not believed to be life-threatening.

"He'll be home by Christmas," the sheriff said.

Parham, a deputy since 1998, was shot twice at about 9:30 a.m. at the intersection of California and Adams streets in Muscoy, northwest of San Bernardino, said sheriff's spokeswoman Robin Haynal.

He was struck once in the abdomen and once in his bulletproof vest and taken to Loma Linda University Medical Center for surgery, she said.

The shooting unfolded after Parham tried to stop Cerna's white 1980 Nissan at the intersection of State and Adams streets, officials said.Cernawouldn't pull over, and Parham gave chase for about a minute along Adams Street until the suspect's car crossed California Street, jumped the curb and came to a stop, officials said.

As the deputy approached in his squad car, Cerna leaped from his vehicle with a large-caliber handgun, officials said.

He shot at the front of the deputy's car, hitting the windshield and then the hood, continuing to fire as he ran past the driver's side of the car where he blew out the side window, sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Beavers said.

Beavers said she didn't know the exact number of shots fired.

Parham wasn't able to get out of his car or fire back, officials said. He did radio for medical help, they said.

School put on lockdown

The scene of the shooting is south of California Elementary School, which was in session at the time, school officials said.

"At the time of the shooting there was a class outside participating in one of their PE lessons," said Linda Hill, spokeswoman for the San Bernardino City Unified School District. "Those students hit the ground as their teacher directed."

The campus was put on lockdown immediately following the shooting. Counselors were sent to the school to talk to both staff and students, Hill said.

After the shooting, Cerna attempted to run inside a house on Adams Street, but the resident ran into the house and locked the door, said sheriff's deputy Lt. Rick Carr . Cerna then ran through the back yard to a house on Mesa Street.

Sergio Quintero, 21, and his nephew, Roberto Deharo, 11, were sitting inside the garage when Cerna walked through the open door and offered $10 for a ride.

Quintero told the man he had no car and couldn't give him a ride. Cerna then asked for a shirt and Quintero gave him a black T-shirt bearing the picture of a snake.

Cerna also asked for a rake and shovel, which he took out into the front yard.

Quintero said he thought the situation was "weird," but didn't know that police were looking for the man.

But while Cerna was out front, Quintero noticed police officers in his back yard and asked if they were looking for someone. He said he then told them about the suspect in the front yard.

The police came out front, pulled their guns and told the suspect to get on the ground, Quintero said.

"They told him to stay down and don't move," Quintero said. "He laid on the ground and they handcuffed him."





I saw the vid too... :eek:Source
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« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2004, 11:50:26 PM »
Yeah I saw the vid to.
I wonder what the heck the guy was thinking?

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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2004, 12:12:13 AM »
Where can I find the vid?

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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2004, 08:36:25 PM »
Not employer safe:

http://www.ogrish.com

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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2004, 08:56:23 PM »
This reeks of a CIA mind control test.

A cop shooter stops to rake a guys front yard? Yeah right.

A cop shooter gets all that way with a .45 down his pants? Yeah right.

edit: watched the vid... jeezuz it looks like Manchurian Candidate stuff :(
« Last Edit: December 20, 2004, 09:00:52 PM by Vulcan »

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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2004, 09:10:29 PM »
Nope sorry to say it just looks like someone dropped the ball.
Just very lucky this guy did not go nutts and start shooting cops inside the station!

He already showed that he was not afraid to shoot an officer.

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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2004, 10:01:17 PM »
Ahh. Good old Ogrish.

Funny I did not see it on the front page. Must be in the forums. OMW Ogrish!:aok

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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2004, 11:35:24 PM »
how in hell could a guy, under arrest for shooting a deputy, make it into a interrogation room with a loaded pistol in his waistband?

Im just thankfull he killed himself and no one else.

in closing:  There are simply too many human beings polluting the planet with their filth and excrement, nature is preparing a major culling of the population, I can sense it.
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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2004, 11:41:55 PM »
It was the same gun he shot the cop with I bet.

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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2004, 12:06:33 AM »
anyone see what kind of pistol that was.  I was surpised there was no exit wound.  Then again I do watch to many movies

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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2004, 12:13:42 AM »
I hope the wounded police officer makes a full and speedy recovery.

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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2004, 12:54:01 AM »
It looked like a full sized handgun, a Beretta 9mm 92F type or clone.  the pistol was held in the left hand and the left temple was the entry point.  The bullet did not exit the head (further suggesting 9mm) but the right eye quickly bruised and swelled suggesting the bullet ended up somewhere in that proximity.

The guy checked out real quick.
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2004, 01:46:23 AM »
Reports were that it was an 45acp.
I believe that it did exit it just happend so fast we could not see it.
And not to be morbid but the round probably did not slow enough to cause much exspansion so exite hole would be small.

And yes I second what Airhead said Hope the officer that was shot pulls thru ok.

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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2004, 01:50:11 AM »
Notice how his head jolted violently backwards away from the shot?

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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2004, 08:26:53 AM »
grassy knoll?

Also, you can see the wall opposite side of the shot and you can see the wall behind the shot.  No impact marks or spatter.   I seriously doubt the round was a 45 APC.  I once saw a video of a headshot with 45 APC and it looked like the head was hit with a force equivalent to a baseball bat.  This was just a tap in comparrison.  Most likely a 9mm.
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