Author Topic: Guy shoots himself... (Read 920 times)

EN4CER · « **Reply #15 on:** December 21, 2004, 01:14:08 PM »

If it was not for the news story I would have said this is a fake. I don't like to Monday morning quarterback my own because we are all capable of making mistakes. I just can't believe they allowed him to be in the interview room uncuffed, a suspect involved in the shooting of a fellow police officer. And no second or third searches - where there’s one gun there’s usually another. Off the record - I was shocked that he was unscathed - especially after shooting a cop. I commend the arresting officers for their restraint. At least there will not be a long dragged out courtroom trial with some liberal attorney trying to paint a portrait of a troubled childhood which when compounded by our social system created this poor worthless piece of garbage.

wombatt · « **Reply #16 on:** December 21, 2004, 10:50:04 PM »

The video shows Cerna pulling a .45-caliber handgun from his pants and firing one shot into his left temple

The article says 45

Yeager · « **Reply #17 on:** December 21, 2004, 11:35:21 PM »

Im of the opinion the article is wrong.

Airhead · « **Reply #18 on:** December 21, 2004, 11:41:26 PM »

Im of the opinion Cerna is dead.

Now, how's the cop doing?

Hawklore · « **Reply #19 on:** December 22, 2004, 01:11:52 AM »

I watched, after beind told it was a .45 and watched it a second time looking for the exit wound/splatter..

If it werent for the amount of pouring from the skull, I woulda said there was no way it was a .45.

And now after second thoughts it seems to be around 9mm, I've seen 8mm rifle rounds and it's almost close to the size of pour...

I fourth the saying, hope the officer is doing okay.

They said he'd be home for christmas...

Yeager · « **Reply #20 on:** December 22, 2004, 09:19:44 AM »

Another thing to look for is how violently the pistol blew away from the hand at the moment detonation.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #21 on:** December 22, 2004, 09:56:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
It looked like a full sized handgun, a Beretta 9mm 92F type or clone. the pistol was held in the left hand and the left temple was the entry point. The bullet did not exit the head (further suggesting 9mm) but the right eye quickly bruised and swelled suggesting the bullet ended up somewhere in that proximity.

The guy checked out real quick.

If it WAS A Beretta 92, I find it amazing that it DIDN'T stovepipe.

That Sherriff Dept. might have a slot opening up, you better bet someone is losing their job . All that was NEEDED, was a simple "Terry Pat Down".

Karaya

Masherbrum · « **Reply #22 on:** December 22, 2004, 10:02:14 AM »

Looked at the video full screen. Blued steel Colt 1911.

Karaya

Yeager · « **Reply #23 on:** December 22, 2004, 11:42:02 AM »

Interesting comparrison: The typical 45 Auto slug weighs in at 230 grams and is fired with an average muzzle velocity of 850 FPS, and the average 9mm is 115 grams with a muzzle velocity of 1250 FPS.

An interesting discussion might include a debate about a bullet twice as heavy going slower by about one third -having any better or worse chance of entering and exiting the average brain packed skull when fired from point-blank range -as a bullet half as heavy going faster by about one third.

Also, I dont recall the safety layout on typical Colts...is it the same as the safety layout on the 92F and clones? The way the guy twisted the pistol slightly to give his thumb access to the safety made me think of the way I had to disable the the safety when firing a 92F...I dont recall needing to twist the Colt to disable the safety but it has been a few years.......

Hawklore · « **Reply #24 on:** December 22, 2004, 11:43:04 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
If it WAS A Beretta 92, I find it amazing that it DIDN'T stovepipe.

That Sherriff Dept. might have a slot opening up, you better bet someone is losing their job . All that was NEEDED, was a simple "Terry Pat Down".

Karaya

Several people in several departments will lose their job..

Some people say it's kinda hard to tell the dif. between the barrel of a 1911 and a wallet..

But.. I sure would know...

Suave · « **Reply #25 on:** December 22, 2004, 12:46:00 PM »

I read somewhere that CT and swat units prefer 45acp over 9mm parabellum because 45acp often doesn't exit, making it safer for clearing operations. That also means that it dumps all of it's KE into the target, giving it better stopping power, while 9mm will often go through and through. And because it is subsonic it is easier to muffle.

Ripper29 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 22, 2004, 04:02:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
The way the guy twisted the pistol slightly to give his thumb access to the safety made me think of the way I had to disable the the safety when firing a 92F...I dont recall needing to twist the Colt to disable the safety but it has been a few years.......

It looked to me like he was thumbing the hammer back, if it was a Colt 1911 with a "round" chambered he would have to thumb the hammer as the Colt is single action. I wonder what the investigater was thinking when he went back into the room..."Gee I wonder if there is a form for this kind of thing?"