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Offline Lizking

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« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2004, 11:49:23 PM »
That is a good point, although I took it he meant a military invasion.

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« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2004, 12:00:01 AM »
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I don't think there has been a successful invasion since the new large maps have been introduced.


Some of us get off by snorking beer through our nostrils...thank you, Rolex, for the rush. :D

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« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2004, 12:03:16 AM »
Depends what you want from invasion. Hearts and minds invasions dont work. Invade and kill them so they will love you and emulate your system of goverment doesnt seem to work.
The truth is that Trade is much more powerful as an influence then war. The greatest trading nation the world has ever known has decided that War should achieve the same aims. War is good for destroying and bad for building.  The end of WW2 was not the end of a noble endevor to change the course of events and society in Germany and Japan..it was the end of a noble endevor to kick thier tulips into the stone age and then alot of..what do we do know?

I dont think that Iraq gives you a great standard to judge invasion as a policy.

The Iraqis are increadably heavily armed. Their clan based society is very very resiliant and resistant. Even Sadam worked within it really. If you didnt opose him he didnt really bother you. Cause he knew if he did he would face well armed ferocios resistance.
its very inhospitable and culturally foriegn to the invading troops. And the habitat is very hostile to thier equipment.

Canada asside from the fact that we have no substitute for the clan system, and only 9 battalions of infantry  has people that are fat and happy, by the time  it occured to us to do differently it would be far far to late.

Canadians rely tottally on electronic comunications.  Such means would be under US control the second the invasion started.

Large pieces of Canada could be starved into submission in days. Literally days. Block the highways, block the rail ways and canadians can freeze, starve or play along. Period.
With starvation you can have the obediant canadains ferociosly hunting the disobediant canadians in less then a week. Hungry canadians would kick patriotic canadians tulips every time.

Here the only means of insurgency would have to develop long long after the invasion when the invaders got complacent. Years after.  As long as they wanted to they could ensure the obediance of the canadian people with food and fuel alone.

Funked is incorrect though. Utter brutality doesnt do it. Utter brutality only invites the same. If the US has a chance in Iraq its with the path they are  appearing to folllow. Half occupation half sales job.

It will fail though. If they had been willing to get the bathists brutally and then pull out.  They could have at least claimed a victory. But they will be a signifigant Iraqi insurgency against them as long as they stay or until they put Sadam II in power.

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« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2004, 12:10:36 AM »
We are not trying to turn Iraq into the 51st state, so it really isn't even part of the argument.

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« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2004, 12:18:48 AM »
Liz by outside government I mean Country A invades country B, but country C liberates country B.  That's not a failed invasion, that's a counterattack by a third party.

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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2004, 12:31:56 AM »
I gotcha, but it still doesn't change the stat.  Have any countries been be invaded and made part of the attacking country in the last 100 years?

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« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2004, 12:41:22 AM »
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I gotcha, but it still doesn't change the stat.  Have any countries been be invaded and made part of the attacking country in the last 100 years?


tibet
Most of what is now isreal
Most of the baltic states.
Most of europe, only reason it was undone was because of outside intervention.

Most of Asia. Only reason it was undone was because of outside intervention.
Colonys have traded hands but I dont know if you see that as equivelent. They were invaded and from then on contoled by others.

Insurgencys dont allways work or even develop.

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« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2004, 12:43:11 AM »
Israel.  Where do you think the West  Bank came from?  They are still fighting over it, only now its a PR war with rockets and MG's as a bonus.

Heh, Pongo beat me to it.  :)

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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2004, 12:43:24 AM »
I was being narrow, using the traditional meaning of invade and conquer.  The Baltics are the only ones I can think of, and I don't know of any colonies that haved been created in the 20th century (that still exist, which is why the Baltics are not obvious).

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« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2004, 12:45:22 AM »
What country was it that invaded  Palastine and created Israel?

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« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2004, 01:13:25 AM »
The whole Palestine/Isreal thing is working out real swell...

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« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2004, 01:15:57 AM »
What would you expect when the man who led the Palis for  40 years and his  successor have this attitude:

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_9.html

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« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2004, 01:27:18 AM »
Yup - that's what I'm saying. Folks don't seem to wanna play along anymore.

So you get these long drawn out nobody wins guerilla-terrorist-freedomfighter-Wolverines-insurgency type wars where there's no victor and it lasts forever...

Or...

The occupying force pulls out and tries to save as much face possible in doing so... leaving the joint a complete mess where the real bad guys end up taking over because they're usually the toughest and the good guys either got soft or were already soft hence the need for outside support.

Either way... it just doesn't seem to be workable anymore.

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« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2004, 03:29:18 AM »
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Originally posted by Rolex
I don't think there has been a successful invasion since the new large maps have been introduced.


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« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2004, 03:49:21 AM »
Be very, very afraid up there. If we come it will be for the beer.
  Once we control the beer the rest will fall in record time.
Democracy is two wolves deciding on what to eat. Freedom is a well armed sheep protesting the vote.
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