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Offline o0Stream140o

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« on: December 23, 2004, 10:01:58 PM »
I was just wondering what the protocol, on duplicate squads?  I see that there is now a 325th "Checker Tail" sqaudron in MA.  I am not happy with this. I have been a 325th FG "Checkertail Clan" for 3 years and have had my squad in MA for at least 2 of those years...

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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2004, 11:02:14 PM »
Just my opinion but no one here holds any rights to any of the real squadrons in WWII.  If 20 squads wanted to fly under a real squadron from that era it's their right to do so.  They may want to pay their respect to those folks too and to tell them they can't is just plain selfish.

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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2004, 12:00:15 AM »
there ya go Stream14, you can name your squad the

412th Fighter Squadron brauncomustangs


go fer it dude!  Cobra said it was ok :D


does anybody hold a right to any squad name? regardless if the squad is named after a real life squad or a make believe flight sim squad?
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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2004, 12:06:04 AM »
Ummm..no


Its only  rude to create a squadron thats already represented in the MA if you make your name too similar to the existing squadron.  The idea that there are others who may want to be based on or associated with a particular squadron is NOT the same thing.  I however find those two names similar but by no means delibrately confusing.

One of the issues here is that of personal prefrance.   There are NUMEROUS squadrons based on the flying tigers....Im in one called TIGER SQUADRON...there are also

The Flying Tigers
45th Flying Tigers
Flying Tigers
The Flying Tigers AVG

Only my suqadron and the AVG have significant membership, but its still accepted that we all co-exists.  I feel that THE flying tigers and Flying Tigers is too similar...but so far no big deal.


Its the same with those who find their favorite cpid taken and make a confusing variation (ie:  OZONE and 0ZONE and 0Z0NE)

SO its nice to have a 100% unique squadron....but its not a right.....but I do beleive in the importance of keeping  squad names different enough to easily tell them appart

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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2004, 01:28:30 AM »
It's just bad form to create a squadron that already exists in the game.  


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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2004, 02:21:09 AM »
I think it's bad form as well.  If you want to be apart of a certain real squadron, you should at least check out the existing squad first.  If it's not to your liking you could at least discuss it with the existing CO and find a solution that makes everyone happy.  As for the 325th Checkertail Clan, you would be hard pressed to find a better historically accurate squad.  It even has REAL Checkertails discussing things like real aircraft performance, trianing and tactics in there forums, and many of the squads members have gone on to meet with them face to face which as far as I know is the only squad in the game I've seen be able to do that.  I think if you want to show respect and learn more about a real squad then you should at least check with the existing squad first, they might surprise you.:aok

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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2004, 03:44:50 AM »
I am not so sure its a Biggie really..............

a trifle inpolite may be but more often just ignorance that the name is already in use............ infact copying actual WWII unit names is equally inpolite...... I wonder how many actually asked those units if they could bear such  honoured names in a game/sim ............. smells of "wannabeism" to me.

The squad I am in was formed in 96 in AW two other squads of the same name were since formed in WB and one has since moved over here too.

We do not have a problem with this.

Infact its kinda cool  and as we both fly for Bish its nice to help each other out.
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« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2004, 03:59:58 AM »
TC obviously you don't know your history. There is no such thing as the 412th Braunco Mustangs in WWII.   Oh and TC I'd think trying to take a fictional squads name is a bit more lame then a real squadrons name.  Just means you lack any imagination.
 
Stream as you can see though TC feels the same as I do.

 
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does anybody hold a right to any squad name? regardless if the squad is named after a real life squad or a make believe flight sim squad?


Alf so I guess maybe one of you should change your squad name.  Who exactly has the rights to the name though?  We'd have to be sure that the squadron who best represents the original squadron carries the name.  We'd also have to take into consideration that one squad may have more members than the others too.  This is ofcourse what Stream is asking for.  He must feel that his squadron is better and will represent the original squadron better than any other.

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Only my suqadron and the AVG have significant membership, but its still accepted that we all co-exists. I feel that THE flying tigers and Flying Tigers is too similar...but so far no big deal


To sit here and try to lay claim to a historical squadron is pretty selfish as I said previously.  Regardless if your buddy buddy with an original member you have no rights to the squadrons name.  You can sit here and say "bad form" all day but who gave the CO some kind of rights to lay claim to the name?  If you guys really gave a crap about the original squadron you'd be happy so many folks want to represent that squadron.  Instead you sit here bickering about who should have the rights to the name.  You guys seem to think you have some kind of right to something that isn't yours in the first place.

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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2004, 05:07:56 AM »
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............ infact copying actual WWII unit names is equally inpolite...... I wonder how many actually asked those units if they could bear such  honoured names in a game/sim ............. smells of "wannabeism" to me.

 



Over the life time of the 479th's life time as a virtual squadron, we've gotten nothing but good words from the surviving members of Riddle's Raiders.  We've even received a thank you from a Tuskegee pilot that thanked us for keeping this part of history alive.


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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2004, 05:49:57 AM »
^ what Ack-Ack said

and many squads do contact the Veteran Groups

The 367th Vet Group has the AH's 367th website link posted on thier site, and we have had some nice emails back and forth

Though nothing stops ya from doing it...Creating a squad that already exists in the game is in bad form IMO.
Maybe if they fly same side and team up that would be ok.
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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2004, 08:09:15 AM »
Question.... Is there a way to find ALL of the squad names in AH?
I've never found one (not that I looked that had).
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2004, 08:38:07 AM »
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infact copying actual WWII unit names is equally inpolite...... I wonder how many actually asked those units if they could bear such honoured names in a game/sim ............. smells of "wannabeism" to me.


That is one of the most short minded statements I've seen in a long time on these BB.

And if you are going to put things that way. The exact same thing can be said for the La7 you fly and ever single other plane that is flown in this game. I mean men died in these planes. And here we are, playing a game based on instruments of war that men died in, gave their lives to their country in. Right? Wong...

Do you people think before you type something? Or just say the first mindless crap the pops up? Dont answer that, I already know.

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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2004, 08:41:20 AM »
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Question.... Is there a way to find ALL of the squad names in AH?
I've never found one (not that I looked that had).


community, squad link. gives a list of active squads. but never seen one that lists all (current and past). unless HTC has an archive of them, I doubt it exists.


edit : I just looked at squad score page for tour 12. only 23 squads still active, the rest have been disbanded.
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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2004, 08:44:39 AM »
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I mean men died in these planes. And here we are, playing a game based on instruments of war that men died in, gave their lives to their country in. Right? Wong...
 


Right!


Looking at replies above from folk taking them selves far too seriously............

what is more inpolite    assuming the mantle of some hero/heroic squadron or copying the name of an existing AH squad?

thats the only point I was making. ...................and as I said its no biggie really
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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2004, 09:27:46 AM »
bad form

takes away some identity from the squad's