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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2004, 01:27:51 PM »
jb.. I never wore an earing because... it is stupid.   it is for women..  most of the bikers wore em.   that does not mean that I had to.  I wore a flight jacket and cowboy boots and rode independent when being a clubber was status and sometimes... survival.   I was the first person I had ever seen to paint flames on my Harley... everyone said I wouldn't get 3 blocks without being pulled over.... now, little kids have em on their big wheels and I wouldn't be caught dead with em.  

I read everything that comes across my radar... some stuff I put down in disgust before I get it read.  

Mysticysm?   well... if nothing else... I don't add extra weight to a theory simply because a dead or even live president says it could happen.   I don't see anything too strange happening except for the erosion of our human rights and the constitution and I see nothing even very sinister about that.... I feel it is a function of overpopulation and will self right itself after the next hollocost be it human or natural.... give the city folk something real to worry about and we will all be a lot more free.  

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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2004, 02:09:36 PM »
oh, no problem whatsoever.  wasnt trying to grandstand or call out an error, just clarifying its origins for our friend.

besides, i am certain that i was thinking in the best spirit of mechanic (batfink) when i added it on.


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« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2004, 02:11:19 PM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
jb.. I never wore an earing because... it is stupid.   it is for women..  most of the bikers wore em.   that does not mean that I had to.  I wore a flight jacket and cowboy boots and rode independent when being a clubber was status and sometimes... survival.   I was the first person I had ever seen to paint flames on my Harley... everyone said I wouldn't get 3 blocks without being pulled over.... now, little kids have em on their big wheels and I wouldn't be caught dead with em.  

I read everything that comes across my radar... some stuff I put down in disgust before I get it read.  

Mysticysm?   well... if nothing else... I don't add extra weight to a theory simply because a dead or even live president says it could happen.   I don't see anything too strange happening except for the erosion of our human rights and the constitution and I see nothing even very sinister about that.... I feel it is a function of overpopulation and will self right itself after the next hollocost be it human or natural.... give the city folk something real to worry about and we will all be a lot more free.  

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« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2004, 02:30:48 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2004, 04:58:42 PM »
Sounds like Abe was spot on, only it took 150 years. WalMart, Exxon and Microsoft are the new "Big 3".
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« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2004, 06:20:31 PM »
I'm kinda curious why somone would consider Abe a war criminal?

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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2004, 03:17:05 AM »
I am too Guns.  Lincoln was the only one who didn't want to punish the South after the war ended.



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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2004, 08:44:21 AM »
no rpm... wrong again... abe was looking into the near future when the cattle and land and railroad barons ran things by owning all the politicians.   So much so that they were able to masacure workers who didn't tow the line and burn out settlers..

Today we have microsoft and oprah.... oprah may be able to influence the government in her favor but microsoft has shown a complete lack of competrence in that regard.

What lincoln forsaw has come and gone.

I think culeo was talking about "war crimes" committed during the war not after.

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« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2004, 08:54:48 AM »
Per "war crimes" - are you guys refering to Sherman's March to the Sea?

Laz, you appear to be suggesting that you believe the only business interest able to exert influence on the U.S. government is Oprah.  

I'll just let that statement hang their for a while.    It may come as a shock to all the corporations who spend millions (billions?) annually on lobbyists to learn that they are just throwing their money away without result.

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« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2004, 09:02:30 AM »
Lazs, you believe corporations aren't lining the pockets of our politicians?

You should live in DC and work on the hill for a while, you don't even have to give up your hand guns if you get a concealed carry permit.
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« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2004, 09:05:40 AM »
not in the least... The NRA spends plenty also.    The difference is that we haven't had a company exert enough influence to get the military to look the other way or even partake in the slaughter of strikers or homesteaders since the barons of old...

you are the one who used microsoft yet... microsoft seems to be targeted by the government and has had it's influence reduced not increased...  

most of the evil corporations you speak of today are not owned by a few men but by stockholders... average wage earners.   retirees..  

I fear the likes of george soros and the U.N. a lot more than American companies.

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« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2004, 09:39:05 AM »
What about Abe's war crimes?  Now that the subject is brought up, I suppose we must discuss it.



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« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2004, 10:30:10 AM »
laz

what lincoln forsaw is only just beginning to unfold.

"Corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. "

if you do not think that the arms industry has exerted influence, or that lobby groups representinig corporate interests have not infested washington
and have steered government policy to line thier pockets than you are so far outside of the realm of reality that i doubt that you can be reasoned with.  

there are few, and i mean few people that i have spoken to who think that the war in iraq is actually being driven by anything more than a corporate grab for oil.

to quote a good friend of mine...something that put it into perspective for me...

"i'll tell you what, im going to be the first one to open a hot dog and t-shirt stand at the tigres-euphrates golf and raquet club."  

he said this as we were watching the first bombs exploding in baghdad.

unfortunately, i am related to many of these people.

george seros is your fear?  why?  because he is using the same tactics as the swift boaters used in discrediting kerry?  or perhaps you feel that having money should mean that you shouldnt be entitled to exert influence.   perhaps you think that we should just let the ship burn while those things that you seem to be interested in are eroded beyond repair.

corporations are dangerous due to thier lack of personality rather than star power.  enron, worldcom and others have managed to rape the people of thier money with little, if any regard for anything beyond the petty greed of thier sad officers not to mention that the punishments that they have recieved have been nil.

in hindsight, i might have mentioned that i would take the insight of a president far faster than one whos experience includes a doctrine of spending a great deal of his time on his bellybutton playing a video game.  myself included.  of course.

but its something aint it?
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« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2004, 10:50:28 AM »
It is something if playing video games is a God given talent.  Everyone has his thing.  What's important is to do it and do it better than anyone else in the whole world can.  And never give up.    



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« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2004, 11:04:19 AM »
true that.  not meant to disparage.  but i think that we can assume that those who become president were pretty much dern good at it.

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