another pompous UN busybody slams the US..

[Torque]

What, lead you by the hand, i don't think so. People might get the impression i'm some sorta powder toast guy, lending aid to helpless seniors.

i'm pulling the numbers from the city of dixon's police department 2003 year-end report. There is only one dixon in cali and it's located in solano county, am i correct?

For some mysterious reason which escapes me now, i couldn't care less aboot firetrucks, or whom builds them for that matter. They hardly factor into my everyday accounts. The arson rate here is very low. Dixon on they other hand with a 143% increase in arson, would be better off to just lease CL-215 , like LA county does.

Quality built vehicles, nevar did keep a car long enough to gain an accurate opinion. With trucks, all i can say is that i bought a GMC heavy half ton work truck 13 years ago. Built right here in Oshawa it's a good half hour from me. The truck has +300 000 kilometres and the original 5.7 litre engine and tranny. It went thru a crap load of rotors and one rad. Abused all to hell, carried more than a ton many a time in rough terrian, flat leaf springs and all. It will still burn rubber and goes like snot, i'm baffled myself, like a faithfull dog i just can't put her down.

The Ford Oakville F150 plant is a 15 minutes from my house, i believe it's Ford's second most efficient assembly line.

anything else...?

[Toad]

Are you implying that auto assembly efficiency is dependent on having Canadian workers?

(2003) Among individual assembly plants, Nissan's Smyrna, Tenn., plant that builds the Altima ranked as the most efficient. It was followed by four GM car plants, two in Oshawa, Ontario, and two in Lansing. GM's Lansing Grand River plant, home of the Cadillac CTS and SRX, was the most efficient luxury-car plant.

Let's see... four GM plants in the top 5; maybe, just maybe GM as a corporation is good at building vehicles efficiently? Because of the top 4 GM plants they're split equally Canada/US.

Just a thought.

[storch]

just to jump in here.  the CL-215 is easily the very best thought out constructed and deployed airplane of it's type it's also the first ever purpose built.  it represents some very creative thinking on the part of Canadair, which has a long and proud history of creating and fielding rugged dependable aircraft.

Generally speaking from my experience it's hard to find a more open honest and friendly group of people than the Anglo-Canadians.  Having said that, regarding the Franco-Canadians, I agree with weaselwan.  
The nicest thing to see in South Florida is all those Quebec tags Souviensing north on I-95.  Hopefully they each have one other francophone under each arm and a half dozen in the trunk.

[Excel1]

Originally posted by JBA

Her citizenry disarmament program is far flung, and includes Australia, New Zealand, the sub-continent, South America, Great Britain and Europe: she's a true-blue "globalist".

I have never heard of the woman before. But if she had any input in the UN inspired push for "universal gun registration" in NZ- she struck out. It's been defeated.

We ain't going down the road Aussie and Canada have. At least not yet, and hopefully never.

Excel

[lazs2]

torque... I doubt that the police report gave you the erroneous population figure.   I also doubt that you would call grass fires at an overpass onm the freeway "arson" in your neck of the woods unless your fire and police were doing their budget and wanted more money.

I don't think canadians can assemble American parts better or worse than anyone else... never said that... I said that you should be getting good at it by now since you have no vehicle of your own so the only vehicles you assemble are ours and maybe other countries.  

lazs

[storch]

Originally posted by Excel1
I have never heard of the woman before. But if she had any input in the UN inspired push for "universal gun registration" in NZ- she struck out. It's been defeated.

We ain't going down the road Aussie and Canada have. At least not yet, and hopefully never.

Excel

As JBA stated in his lenghty post Rebecca Peters heads the "International Action Network on Small Arms" (IANSA) a powerful and internationally funded United Nations non-governmental organization.  Their stated aim is simply to disarm the entire world.  They want governments to exclusively have arms of any type.



Lest we forget tyrannical governments are responsible for more deaths globally than anything else but disease.

The Nazi party was responsible for the deaths of an estimated 20,000,000 people in the 1930-40's

The soviets were responsible for the deaths of 100,000,000 people during the same period.

The United States Government was responsible for the irradication of nearly the entire population of this continent's indigenous population in the 19th century.  The United states government illegally detained Japanese AMERICANS in concentration camps during WWII.  The homeland security department and the patriot act deeply concern many.

Governments cannot be handed total authority.  Governments need to remember that they govern with the consent of the governed.  It is a proven fact historically that if they are not reminded bad things happen to the little guy.  They will exterminate you unless you toe the current party line.  Can anyone say Hussein and Sons, Fidel Castro, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Slobodan Milosevic et al?

Look to the example in Switzerland.  "The Swiss are fully armed and yet are fully free."  for what? six hundred years or more now?

It is absurd to expect to live our lives freely without the ability to check a tyrannical government, should the need arise.  A good government has no need to fear it's populace.  

before some pommie starts the "fat cheeseburger eating Americans can't expect .....blah blah blah" rant I would remind us of the events of July 14, 1789 as an example of what a pissed populace can accomplish with a modicum of arms.  There are also countless other stories of successful armed resistance to tyranny.  Our Miccosuki and Seminole tribes in south Florida successfully resisted the might of the Federal government for over 100 years to the extent that most of Florida's counties are named for dead guys trying to repress them.  These tribes were never defeated or subjugated and never ever signed a treaty with the federal government.

Look at Rwanda and see how effective the UN is at protecting people.  nearly 1,000,000 where hacked to death with machetes barely ten years ago.  the UN allowed this massacre to occur, UN troops witnessed the slayings.

Look at was is occurring this very day in southern Sudan where the Moslim government is practicing prosletization at bayonet point against animists and christians who will not convert to mohammadism.  hundreds of thousands have died and thousands more die daily.  Where is the UN in Sudan?

The second amendment to the Bill of Rights of the United States constitution is what makes the entire document viable and meaningful.  the second amendment is why we are one of the world's youngest nations yet we are the oldest democracy.  Well constitutional republic anyway.

" A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

I would say to Mr. Excel that without a document like our bill of rights NZ could easily go the way of Great Britain and the rest of her commonwealth.

There is a brief article on the debate between Wayne LaPierre and Rebecca Peters at King's College which occurred on October 12, 2004 in the January 2005 issue of American Rifleman (the publication of the National Rifle Association) if you are interested

http://www.nraila.org

http://www.nranews.com

http://www.nra.org

The National Rifle Association is involved globally in the fight for individual freedom.  Membership is not exclusive to the citizens of the United States.  As strong collective is our best defense against tyranny.  The NRA is the point of the spear today.  become a life member you'll be glad you did.

[lazs2]

storchs point being that no matter what you think of your government....  you are foolish to not fear them.   The history of governments killing their own is fearful.... the UN is as scarry as stalin to me.   I don't want to be unarmed in any world that the UN has any power in or in any society that rebecca peters or george soros rises to power in.

The American founders recognized this problem and wrote the constitution and bill of rights and federalist papers in such a way as to show this distrust of government,   They understood that armed citizens are no where near the threat that armed governments against unarmed subjects are.   That is why the right to keep and bear arms is second only to the right of free speech in America.

lazs

[Torque]

Laz, you become obtuse when presented with the facts and data that don't corroborate with your narrow preception. If one suspends all rational, it's possible the dixon police department is presenting erroneous data for '02 and '03. That would not be very advantageous. But by all means go to their website and prove me wrong on any points i've made, or do you lack the integrity?

Pointing out the incorrect population at 16k instead of 20k seems petty. That would of course disperse the 12% rise of number one offences amongst a larger populous. Thanks for that correction, although i fail to see how that plays to your favour.

Your fire chief is just panning for his job and a new truck, with 143% increase in arson, if they are in fact just grass fires it would be best to have CL-215's at hand, or a similar american product, if one exists.

"we just bought a new fire truck... it was not made in canada.. the cheif says the canadian ones are crap even tho they use mostly American parts. You would think canadians would know how to assemble American vehicle parts by now...... eh?"


Not at all Toad, nor do i really care. Huge corporations are devoid of any patriotic duty or bounded by borders. Their bible is the almighty bottom line regardless. The heavy investment in China by the big three will spell doom for North American manufacturing.

The context in which laz's remark was written has an obvious inference. The data you provide shows laz, with his limited experience, to be ignorant at best on the matter.

[wombatt]

Originally posted by storch
As JBA stated in his lenghty post Rebecca Peters heads the "International Action Network on Small Arms" (IANSA) a powerful and internationally funded United Nations non-governmental organization.  Their stated aim is simply to disarm the entire world.  They want governments to exclusively have arms of any type.



Lest we forget tyrannical governments are responsible for more deaths globally than anything else but disease.

The Nazi party was responsible for the deaths of an estimated 20,000,000 people in the 1930-40's

The soviets were responsible for the deaths of 100,000,000 people during the same period.

The United States Government was responsible for the irradication of nearly the entire population of this continent's indigenous population in the 19th century.  The United states government illegally detained Japanese AMERICANS in concentration camps during WWII.  The homeland security department and the patriot act deeply concern many.

Governments cannot be handed total authority.  Governments need to remember that they govern with the consent of the governed.  It is a proven fact historically that if they are not reminded bad things happen to the little guy.  They will exterminate you unless you toe the current party line.  Can anyone say Hussein and Sons, Fidel Castro, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Slobodan Milosevic et al?

Look to the example in Switzerland.  "The Swiss are fully armed and yet are fully free."  for what? six hundred years or more now?

It is absurd to expect to live our lives freely without the ability to check a tyrannical government, should the need arise.  A good government has no need to fear it's populace.  

before some pommie starts the "fat cheeseburger eating Americans can't expect .....blah blah blah" rant I would remind us of the events of July 14, 1789 as an example of what a pissed populace can accomplish with a modicum of arms.  There are also countless other stories of successful armed resistance to tyranny.  Our Miccosuki and Seminole tribes in south Florida successfully resisted the might of the Federal government for over 100 years to the extent that most of Florida's counties are named for dead guys trying to repress them.  These tribes were never defeated or subjugated and never ever signed a treaty with the federal government.

Look at Rwanda and see how effective the UN is at protecting people.  nearly 1,000,000 where hacked to death with machetes barely ten years ago.  the UN allowed this massacre to occur, UN troops witnessed the slayings.

Look at was is occurring this very day in southern Sudan where the Moslim government is practicing prosletization at bayonet point against animists and christians who will not convert to mohammadism.  hundreds of thousands have died and thousands more die daily.  Where is the UN in Sudan?

The second amendment to the Bill of Rights of the United States constitution is what makes the entire document viable and meaningful.  the second amendment is why we are one of the world's youngest nations yet we are the oldest democracy.  Well constitutional republic anyway.

" A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

I would say to Mr. Excel that without a document like our bill of rights NZ could easily go the way of Great Britain and the rest of her commonwealth.

There is a brief article on the debate between Wayne LaPierre and Rebecca Peters at King's College which occurred on October 12, 2004 in the January 2005 issue of American Rifleman (the publication of the National Rifle Association) if you are interested

http://www.nraila.org

http://www.nranews.com

http://www.nra.org

The National Rifle Association is involved globally in the fight for individual freedom.  Membership is not exclusive to the citizens of the United States.  As strong collective is our best defense against tyranny.  The NRA is the point of the spear today.  become a life member you'll be glad you did.

Makes good sense to me.

[EN4CER]

Our involvement with the UN is a waste of time. Them protect us - that’s a joke and a half. Ever see the special on History Channel about Executive Outcomes, the most infamous mercenary company in operation today. Within a month of Sierra Leone's hiring of Executive Outcomes in May 1995, government forces had regained control of the diamond-rich Kono district. The UN came in and took over because they did not like the concept of "A private military for hire" and what happened; it all fell apart in a week. They couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag if they tried. If I had my way the entire UN building in Manhattan would be shipped to the first sorry *** nation that wants it. Get them OUT! I'll help them pack and move too - GET OUT FORIEGN TRASH! Take your diplomatic immunity with ya!

[lazs2]

torque... are you serious?   are you really that naive?   I do my deparmets budget too and you plan for the future as well as current needs for obvious reasons.

so far as crime rate in Dixon?  who cares.... too few crimes to reallyu be significant... the rate goes up and down by more than 100% every year.   Dixon is also very restrictive so far as concealled carry goes.  If you are trying to say that more guns would equal less crime here tho then I would have to agree.

Dixon is simply too small to be much good for plotting crime stats for either side of the arguement.   Unless....  unless concealled carry were to go up to say 10% of the population and crime rose or fell for a long period of time.

How much property loss do you think all this "arson" caused?

lazs

[Skydancer]

Let the UN disarm Africa first!

That's abit rich as we developed countries armed them in the first place! Usualy tofight the cold war by proxy!

GUNS FEVER!!!!!!!!!!

I must confess to being glad we don't have too many here

[lazs2]

After seeing some of your soccer "game" aftermaths I must admit to not being too upset that you have been neutered either.

course... if I had been forced to watch a soccer game I might be ready to kill someone after a few hours too.

lazs

[Toad]

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Ain't THAT the truth.

[Chortle]

Not really, match only takes 90 minutes.