China, the UN and the Korean war

[NUKE]

Can someone explain to me how the UN functioned during the Korean war?

Seems like if the UN was functioning correctly, the Chinese and  would have sent troops to help out the south rather than use their forces to kill UN troops.

How can the Korean war be called a "UN action" when the Americans had most of the muscle and the Chinese were killing UN troops?

What China did was FAR, FAR worse than the US attacking Iraq without UN approval.

[AKWeav]

Hmm, I don't think that China was a member of the UN at that time.  The UN was a baby in the 50s.

[NUKE]

your right. I just remembered reading about China in Churchill's book on WWII that China, France, the US, and Russia had been decided upon as the 4 perm. UN members even before WWII ended.

China was a player in the UN since 1945. I assumed they were a member.

Even so, has China ever contributed forces to a UN cause? They have the world's largest army.

[straffo]

Troll and outstanding display of ignorance.

And I'm only speaking of the thread tittle

[straffo]

Originally posted by AKWeav
Hmm, I don't think that China was a member of the UN at that time.  The UN was a baby in the 50s.

Depend of the "china" you consider being China.

[Suave]

I think he's probably talking about the one that has the largest army in the world.

[cpxxx]

It's pretty simple Nuke and easily checked. The People's Republic of China was not admitted to the UN. The Republic of China (Taiwan) was. As a result the Soviet Union boycotted the UN in protest.
So when North Korea attacked with the help of the USSR. They were not able to use their veto as a permanent member of the Security Counsel preventing a UN response, led by the USA.  A big mistake by USSR from their point of view.

So to summarise the Chinese were not in the UN. The Soviets screwed up and allowed a UN response. But it would hardly have mattered as the USA and Britain would undoubtedly have gone in with help from other countries without UN approval just like they did in Iraq, ironically.

A poor attempt at UN bashing I must say. 2 out of 10 as it was an example of the UN working the way it should.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by cpxxx
It's pretty simple Nuke and easily checked. The People's Republic of China was not admitted to the UN. The Republic of China (Taiwan) was. As a result the Soviet Union boycotted the UN in protest.
So when North Korea attacked with the help of the USSR. They were not able to use their veto as a permanent member of the Security Counsel preventing a UN response, led by the USA.  A big mistake by USSR from their point of view.

So to summarise the Chinese were not in the UN. The Soviets screwed up and allowed a UN response. But it would hardly have mattered as the USA and Britain would undoubtedly have gone in with help from other countries without UN approval just like they did in Iraq, ironically.

A poor attempt at UN bashing I must say. 2 out of 10 as it was an example of the UN working the way it should.

What about the USSR then? Shouldn't they have sent troops to help the south? Instead the USSR helps the UN's enemy?

Has China or Russia ever helped a UN military mission?
And if my sole purpose was UN bashing, I would have pointed out that the UN has historically been a useless bunch of theives.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by GScholz
Nuke did you even read Cpxxx' post?

Yes.

The USSR boycotted the UN and decided to help attack the UN forces rather than use their veto.

The UN has always been a joke and it will NEVER work the way it was intended.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by NUKE
What about the USSR then? Shouldn't they have sent troops to help the south?

No member has to send troops to enforce a UNSC resolution, it's totally voluntary

Instead the USSR helps the UN's enemy?

How and who did they help?

Has China or Russia ever helped a UN military mission?

Yes, and you would know that if you took two seconds, to do a search for "Russia peacekeeping", and "China peacekeeping.  But I guess that wouldn't fit the agenda of this troll.

And if my sole purpose was UN bashing, I would have pointed out that the UN has historically been a useless bunch of theives. [/B]

Of course it's not your sole purpose, you also want to bash Russia and China.  It would probably work better if you didn't use unsubstantiated accusations.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by GScholz
Didn't the UN beat the NK and USSR, at least stop them?

Seems like it worked rather well.

How did it work well when the USSR, a founding UN nation with veto power, decided to go against the very UN that they agreed to join as the best idea for world peace?

The UN was falling apart at it's core even then.

[straffo]

Originally posted by NUKE
How did it work well when the USSR, a founding UN nation with veto power, decided to go against the very UN that they agreed to join as the best idea for world peace?

The UN was falling apart at it's core even then.

hmmm it was not really the USSR but more the Chinese and North Corean that fought.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by GScholz
The USSR boycotted the UN, and violated the UN charter (much like the US/UK did in Iraq). The UN responded. Why is this a failure in your eyes?

The whole concept of the UN was already being shown as a joke even back then.

Take away the "UN" title and the Korean war was a war between China, NK, SK and mostly the US was the nation that stopped them. The UN really meant little other than in name.

I can't believe the UN is respected by people like you, in all honesty. What has the UN done for anyone that the US and her allies didn't really do on their own anyway?

[patrone]

Originally posted by NUKE
What has the UN done for anyone that the US and her allies didn't really do on their own anyway?

Abused prisoners of war, bombed women and children?

Crabofix
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORK

[NUKE]

What do you mean "my media"?

Are you implying that I am limited to media sources and that you have some source that makes you more enlightened?

I love that argument, because it's just so ignorant.