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Offline Callisto

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« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2005, 10:01:48 AM »
I love mustangs but Roush, Saleen, Steeda all overpriced money pits.. Just get a 03 or newer cobra and be done with it. and you want can modify it later any way you want. Ever since 03 cobras came out, performace boost offered by those companies aint so appealing no more, its mostly cosmetic these days.


Now Z06 is one awsome car. Its light , its got 400hp of NA power (i hear NA 500HP for the new C6  Z06), no matter how much power mustang puts out or what kind of modifications it has, on the road track Z06 will run circles around any mustang. It handles  VERY WELL. Tough nut to crack thats for sure.



If i had a choice between Roush Stage III/ Sallen 281 SC or the new C6, i'd take the new C6 coupe anyday.

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« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2005, 10:20:02 AM »
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Now Z06 is one awsome car. Its light , its got 400hp of NA power (i hear NA 500HP for the new C6  Z06), no matter how much power mustang puts out or what kind of modifications it has, on the road track Z06 will run circles around any mustang. It handles  VERY WELL. Tough nut to crack thats for sure.


What some keep forgetting is it is the Indian and not the arrow.

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« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2005, 10:21:11 AM »
My friend from college just bought a 2003 Roush 380R Stage III.. MAN that thing is fast.. :eek:


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« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2005, 10:38:43 AM »
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What some keep forgetting is it is the Indian and not the arrow.

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Amen Karaya

There IS a replacement for displacement.

Brother and i went a double mile one day for s and g's. (where you race a full mile one way, ****-hook and then go back)

I was out of my car, lit a smoke, and had time to point and laugh before he got back.

And that was a 340 Duster against a 440 GTX.

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« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2005, 01:08:03 PM »
narsus, im musta looked at the 04s, but the 05s arent that much different, <.5 second in all times.  for the price and looks, ill take the stang over the gto.  :(
and going back to his original statement, i would hardly consider those times "eating it for lunch", and we are only talking about the GT, the Cobra should eat the gto for lunch when released, should...but it is in fact yet to be seen.
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« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2005, 02:05:56 PM »
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I remember totally embarassing an '85 Vette with my '83 Shelby Charger. A frikkin 4 banger SMOKED a Vette!



You didn't beat a 'vette.  You beat a bad driver.
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« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2005, 02:07:51 PM »
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Depends on which Stage level Roush you get. $15,000 cheaper than a $50,000 Z06? I'll smoke that Z06 with $15,000 to put into a 2005 GT.



*snicker*

You keep believing that if you want.. along with that you don't have a small peepee.




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« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2005, 03:56:01 PM »
i own a  drop top gt..love it..


but..I want the new drop top ...where are they!!!???

seen the o5 hard tops..but are the 05 drops not out yet?..

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« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2005, 04:23:04 PM »
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You didn't beat a 'vette.  You beat a bad driver.
Nope, it was'nt the driver in this case...it was the car. We were in the middle of nowhere, miles of straight open road and not a cop in sight. He was trying his best to keep up with me, but no way Jose.

I also beat several "hopped up" street rides with that car and ran an SCCA race with it at the old Texas World Speedway. It was a sweet car...until I cut down a 6" oak tree with it.:(
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« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2005, 05:01:13 PM »
My Dad has an '03 (or '04?) Z06...  It's that neat electric blue color, 400hp.  Faster than shxt.  He's had it to some road tracks and it's scary fun.  Not as refined as the magneto-hydrodynamic whatsit shocks on the anniversary model, but especially with the multimode traction control it gets the job done.  He was a CHP pursuit driver (always assigned a mustang) for years so he knows how to drive fast, and the vette kept giving him exactly what he asked.  He only looped it once or twice when he was experimenting with the stability control turned off, so after that he ran with it on because it was more fun and he had better lap times.

As for the mustang vs. GTO article, I read that one too.  The '05 GTO beats the mustang GT in pretty much every performance test, but the GT looks cooler.  Even back when the camaro and firebird were stomping the guts out of the mustang in the performance category, the mustang always sold better so most people will pick looks over performance.  That's just the way it is, and mustang owners will always have to justify buying a slower car when the real reason is that mustangs are simply cooler looking cars to own and that means more than .1 second in the quarter mile or 3 mph in the slalom.  I drove autocross for several years and NOBODY who wanted to win brought a mustang.  If I recall correctly, not a single mustang placed in the top 10 in it's class (F-Stock) at nationals for several years running, regardless of what course layout was used or who the course designer was.  In a sport where a well driven miata can challenge a camaro but a vette or talented RX-7 driver will stomp both of them, having the mustangs not even show up says a lot about how the cars perform stock.  

I suppose the '05 model may change things since the car is on an entirely different platform, but a stock GT still isn't as fast as a stock GTO.  A Mustang buyer simply isn't going to buy the stang just for the performance.  There's always going to be something else, usually the fact that the mustang looks a hell of a lot better than the GTO and the vette is priced out of his budget.  My Dad's aging Z06 is still worth over $40k used, and it will still beat almost any sub-$50k mustang in any performance measure you can think of, except maybe passenger and towing capacity.  It won't win the "4 people and a u-haul" race unless it's a small u-haul and 4 very friendly people :)
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« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2005, 05:20:43 PM »
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Even back when the camaro and firebird were stomping the guts out of the mustang in the performance category, the mustang always sold better so most people will pick looks over performance. That's just the way it is, and mustang owners will always have to justify buying a slower car when the real reason is that mustangs are simply cooler looking cars to own and that means more than .1 second in the quarter mile or 3 mph in the slalom.
Also Stang owners are not required to wear a mullet.
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« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2005, 05:21:38 PM »
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If you say so, I tell you what.  I obviously know more about cars than you.  You seem to have this fascination with "HP".   Read more and than post something worthwhile on here.  I enjoy debating with "Chevy Guys".  Keep trying though, this is fun for me.  :aok


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Perhaps you could explain to me what out of round taper and bore measurements would pertain to and how you would check it?

No offense but I was probably taking my first classes at Denver automotive and diesel college before you where born.

Oh and by the way the last few vehicles i have owned where fords including our new sport trac.
1999 ranger xlt
2000 F2504x4 lariat
2000 exploder
2003 Taurus for my mom
2003 focus ZX3 (great little car BTW)
2005 explorer sport trac adrenaline
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« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2005, 05:44:47 PM »
Heh...  Until the mid '90s I was a "ford guy".  In 1997, I started shopping for my first new car and the first place I looked was the ford dealer.  I always wanted a mustang because my Dad drove them at work and the mustangs always seemed to win the bang/buck competitions the magazines held.  Then I looked closer at the numbers and saw that the 5.0 mustangs just couldn't keep up with the LT1, the new 4.6 stangs were even worse, and even the 5.0 and 4.6 DOHC cobras couldn't keep up with the 1995-1997 camaros.  When the LS1 made it's debut in the F-body and I read 2 articles that showed the LS1 camaro beating the 1998 cobra in every single performance category for $10k less, I put my money down on a 1998 trans-am (I couldn't stand the camaro fishmouth).  It had nothing to do with GM vs. Ford, it had to do with performance comparisions, period.  I'd driven both the camaro and mustang and I knew firsthand that the camaro was faster and handled better on the track.  Since I was putting my money on performance and not on looks, the choice was easy.  

On the one hand, I had a beautiful green cobra on the lot marked at $33k that the dealer promised I could have for $32k if I took dealer financing, or for $26k I could have a loaded trans-am that could take that cobra in any competition.  Only an idiot would say I chose the TA because I'm a "GM guy"...  It was simply a better car for less money, period.  It wasn't until 2003 that a stock mustang could beat my car in a straight line and that was probably because my diff is shot from racing and the motor had 85k miles on it, and there still isn't a stock '04 or earlier mustang that can keep up with a camaro or TA on the autox circuit.  I haven't seen any '05 stangs running autox, but I'm sure we'll start to see them as the LS1 camaros and firebirds start getting old.

But "ford vs. GM"...  That's nonsense.  Ford fanatics pull out the mullet and "GM guy" labels every time they're faced with the fact that they paid more money for a slower car.  Now that Ford is finally putting out a car that is fast AND looks good, it'll eventually be the GM fanboi league that points the finger.  But until recently, the F-body and vette couldn't be even remotely threatened (in stock or near-stock form) by the mustang.

Aftermarket mods...  You get what you pay for and any car will go fast if you throw enough money at it, regardless of whether it's ford, GM, or porsche.  It's just a bit easier at the beginning with some cars, but everything on the market today has cheap bolt-ons so even that's a level playing field dominated by whoever has the most cash to put into the project.
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« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2005, 05:50:25 PM »
I had a 95 Chevy Z-28 loved that car.
Took it to a local place here called LG motorsports.
Spent a crap load of money on it and raised the pucker facter by about 100 points.

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« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2005, 06:40:04 PM »
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i own a  drop top gt..love it..


but..I want the new drop top ...where are they!!!???

seen the o5 hard tops..but are the 05 drops not out yet?..


Havent seen one yet... or at the dealerships... I heard they come out later in 05.


Type:    V8
Displacement:    4601 cc
Horsepower:    300 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque:    315 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm
Redline:    6250 rpm

Performance
0-60 mph:    5.2 sec
0-100 mph:    13.2 sec
Quarter Mile:    13.9 sec @ 104 mph
Skidpad:    .85g
Top Speed:    --- mph
Braking, 60-0 mph:    116 ft
Slalom Speed:    --.- mph

NOT TOO BAD for a stock GT.
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