For those who want a German bomber...

[Karnak]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
The Fw200C-3 had a range of 4500km(2800mi) and 14.5 hrs flight time. For the C-6 it was 5500km(3400mi) and 17.0hrs flight time. For the F it was 6900km(4300mi) and 23.0 hrs flight time.

So less than the H8K2 "Emily".

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by GScholz
You are mistaken. Göring forbade Heinkel from continuing to nag him about permission to make a four-engined version. The He-177 is a two-engined aircraft. The DB-610 engine is made up of two iV-12 engine blocks, but it is still one engine by definition.

The He-277 Heinkel secretly developed had four engines driving four propellers.

LOL going by its complexity the DB610 is 2.5, maybe 3 engines....  

They should have just made a straight 4 engined bomber using Jumo 211 or DB603s.  If they wanted less drag maybe they could have used two Dornier tandem installations, with one engine pullinbg and the other pushing like Do335..

[Angus]

Should-have, could-have.

The He 177 is a bit comparible with the Avro Manchester if you know what I mean. 2 enormous double-engines providing the power of 4.
Both flew and that operationally. But neither would fly on one engine, and failiures were common.
So, if we could pick a toplist of German bombers into AH, what would it be?
I guess HTC would go with something manufactured in some numbers, and perhaps something we don't have..?
So, as Karnak pointed out, the Ju 188 is quite potential, and for the graphics side, maybe not the biggest work. (Wings and fuselage similar to Ju 88?)
The He 111 would be my favourite choice. Well, Ju88 can do everything better, but yet, what a beautiful plane, and the ordnance is yet adequate (8x500kg?)
Anyway, just decided to insert this text instead of a forbidden "punt", - the subjet is just too good to be forgotten

[gear]

Getting any new german planes is like this.


He 177 served as a five/six-seat heavy bomber from 1942 to 1945. The Greif (Griffin) was the only long-range heavy bomber built by the Luftwaffe in World War II in significant numbers. It was, to the good fortune of the Allies, one of the most trouble-plagued and accident-prone aircraft in existence, and the German crews and ground staff did not like it either. The plane was desgined to meet a misguided and impossible goal of 1938 that not only demanded long range with heavy bomb load and a speed of 536km/h but also required the big bomber to be able to divebomb. This and many other difficulties caused great delays and added to the weight. The designers wanted to use neat remotely controlled guns but this was a big problem and eventually it had to be discarded in favor of the ordinary turrets or hand-aimed guns. Worse yet, it was decided to use four engines and pack them in two coupled pairs to reduce drag, so that the He 177 looked like a twin-engined aircraft. Although great efforts were made by Daimler-Benz to make the 2,950hp DB 610A twinned units work properly, they created numerous problems and caught fire so often that - like an aircraft of World War I - the big Heinkel was dubbed "the flaming coffin." In total more than 1,000 of many versions were built. Armed with various combinations of 20mm cannon, 13mm heavy machine guns and rifle-caliber guns, the He 177 carried up to 6,011kg of bombs or missiles, and in some types even went into action at "nought feet" as tank-busters carrying huge 50 or 75mm caliber cannons. Late in the war some new versions, like the He 274 built in France and He 277 in Austria, had four separate engines, but they were too late to have any significant influence in the course of the war.

[gear]

ju488

[gear]

ju390


Performance:
Maximum Speed:
    Clean: 314 mph (505 kph)
    With Max. Eternal Weapons: 267 mph (430 kph)
Initial Climb: N/A
Service Ceiling (Typical): N/A
Range in Recce configuration:
    6,027 miles (9700 km)
Endurance in Recce configuration: 32 Hours

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Armament:
Eight 20mm MG 151.
Eight 13mm MG 131.

Payload:
Transport (V1): 22,046 lb. (10,000 kg)
Bomber (V3): 3,968 lb. (1800 kg)

Avionics:
FuG 200 Hohentwiel Radar.
Engine:
Model: BMW 801E
Type: 18-Cylinder two-row radial
Number: Six       Horsepower: 1,970 hp

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Dimensions:
Wing span: 165 ft. 1 in. (50.30m)
Length: 112 ft. 2.5 in. (34.20m)
Height: 22 ft. 7 in. (6.89m)

[SELECTOR]

any new planes should have a few of the note worthy quirks the planes had.. i for one would welcome the he177 but i would like its engines to spontaniously burst into flames about every 3rd mission..

[gear]

Originally posted by Jester
FW 200 CONDOR
would also carry more ord and still pack a powerful defensive punch.

 Fw 200C-4/U2


Armament:
Forward Dorsal Turret:
One 15mm MG 151/15, One 20mm MG 151/20 Or One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds mounted in hydralically operated FW 19 turret
Ventral Gondola:
One 20mm MG 151/20 with 500 rnds. manually aimed at front
One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds. manually aimed at rear

Beam:
Two 7.92mm MG 15 Or Two 13mm MG 131 with 300 rnds.

Aft Dorsal Position:
One 13mm MG 131 with 500 rnds.

Bomb Load:
4,626 lbs. (2100kg) carried in ventral gondola and beneath wings

Missle Load: (C-6 to C-8 models)
Two Hs 293 Anit-Ship Missles under outboard nacells

[Karnak]

My preference for the next German bomber would go:

1) Ju188A-2
2) He177A-5
3) Do217E-2


Don't get too focused on the words "Heavy" and "Medium".  Look at the actual capabilities of each aircraft.  Doing that you'll see that, if anything, the Ju188A-2 would be a better MA bomber than the B-17G.

[gear]

do 217


Crew: 4
Span: 19.00 meters
Length: 17.30 meters
Height: 5.00 meters
Wing surface: 57.00 sq m.
Wing load: 263 kg/sq m
Weight empty: 8 850 kg
Weight loaded: 15 000 kg


Propulsion
Engine: 2 x BMW 801 A
Power (total): 3 160 HP
Specific power: 211 HP / ton
Maximum speed: 515 kph
Service ceiling: 7 500 meters
Range: 2 100 km
 Armament
1 MG 151 machine gun
2 MG 131 machine guns
3 MG 15 machine guns
4 000 kg of bombs

[Glasses]

I want a Ju188 with Shrage  mUzik

[Flyboy]

if we want a german "heavy" then the Do217 is the way to go IMO

4000Kgs of bombs...

[Angus]

Looking better at the Ju188, it also looks sort of ---funny.

Would be a very cool and quite useable addition IMHO

[Furball]

We NEED He-111 for BoB scenario's.   That should be before any other german bomber.

And after the He111 we need a ruskie bomber, like Pe-2 or Tu-2

Then you can look into adding the "l33t!" kraut bombers for the MA

all in my opinion of course

[Glasses]

Yeh I recon  Adding both a Ruskie buff and a  Newer German Buff too wouldn't be bad
 but alas Russies need a buffer.