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Offline frank3

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« on: January 04, 2005, 10:00:31 AM »
How about this one? Heinkel He-177




Armament: A-5/R2:
- One 7.92mm MG 81J manually aimed in nose
   Ammunition: 2000 rounds
- One 20mm MG 151 manually aimed in forward ventral gondola
   Ammunition: 300 rounds
- Two 13mm MG 131 in remote front dorsal turret
   Ammunition: 750 rounds per gun
- One 13mm MG 131 in electric aft dorsal turret
   Ammunition: 750 rounds
- One 20mm MG 151 cannon in in tail position
   Ammunition: 300 rounds

Bomb Load: A-5/R2:
- Sixteen 110 lb. (50kg) SC 50
- four 551 lb. (250-kg) SC 250
- two 1,102 lb. (500 kg) SC 500
- two LMA III parachute sea mines
- LT 50 torpedos
- Hs 293 of FX 1400 missiles.

Engine: 2 Daimler-Benz DB 610A-1/B-1
Thrust: 2,950lb
Note: Each engine comprised of two V12 liquid cooled engines geared to one propeller.

Dimensions:
Span: 31.44m (103 ft. 1¼ in.)
Length: 22m (72 ft. 2 in.)
Height: 6.4m (21 ft.)

Weights: (A-5)
Empty: 37,038lb. (16,800 kg)
Loaded: 68,343lb (31,000kg)

Performance:
Maximum (at 41,000lb.): 295mph (472km/h)
Initial Climb: 853 ft/min (260m/min)
Service Ceiling: 26,500 ft (7080m)
Range with Fritz or Hs 293 missle: 3,107 miles (5000km)
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Offline nirvana

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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2005, 03:18:32 PM »
I like it,  perhaps like an A20 light/medium bomber with more defensive capabilities.
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2005, 03:40:19 PM »
the bomb load is less ordinance than the 110
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2005, 04:31:16 PM »
Ju188A-2 would be a much better choice, IMHO.  It was a much more successful design and would fare very well in the MA.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2005, 06:52:51 PM »
Both are good.

How about Dorniers though?
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2005, 10:13:19 PM »
FW 200 CONDOR
would also carry more ord and still pack a powerful defensive punch.
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2005, 10:25:11 PM »
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FW 200 CONDOR
would also carry more ord and still pack a powerful defensive punch.

The Fw200 was fragile, slow, poorly defended and carried significantly less ordinance than the Ju88A-4.  It would be in all ways inferior to the Ju88A-4.
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Offline GScholz

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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2005, 07:49:26 AM »
The He-177's bomb load info is obviously wrong. Building a 68,343 lbs plane to carry two 500kg bombs is a bit ... dumb.

The He-177 had a maximum internal bombload of 13,200 lbs (6000kg). It usually did not carry any external ord. except for the guided bombs, missiles, mines and torps.
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2005, 07:54:47 AM »
Also the 2,950 lb "thrust" is in fact 2,950 hp per engine (two).
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2005, 07:57:14 AM »
Other contenders: Do-217 and Ju-188/388
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2005, 08:03:20 AM »
People weren't pleased with the Do-217 those days.
All kinds of performance flaws with it (many of their engine broke down) and the defensive armament wasn't very good.

1 x .50 cal in a top turret
2 x .303 cals on it's sides
1 x .303 cal in the belly

But it did carry RC bombs though :aok
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2005, 08:20:48 AM »
Do 217 was the one at the back of my head.
Anyone with specs?
Anyway, the twin 177 was prone to catching fire (engine related) nicnamed "Sarg" by the crews. But didn't they also make a more basic 4 engine version?
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2005, 08:22:15 AM »
Are you sure you're referring to the 217? the main production variants (E and K series) had BMW 801 radial engines like the Fw190A.

As for armament, the E series (in service in late 1940), had one MG151/15 in the nose, one 13mm MG131 in a dorsal turret, one 13mm MG131 manually aimed at lower rear, and three 7.98mm MG15's manually aimed from nose and beam windows.

Not stellar, but better than the Ju88 we got now.
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2005, 08:30:06 AM »
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Do 217 was the one at the back of my head.
Anyone with specs?
Anyway, the twin 177 was prone to catching fire (engine related) nicnamed "Sarg" by the crews. But didn't they also make a more basic 4 engine version?


Heinkel secretly developed the 277, but it was scrapped in 1944 along with most of Germany's bomber projects.

The He-177A-1's were unreliable. The A-3's and A-5's on the other hand were not. A-5 being the main production model with 826 delivered to the LW. They mostly served on the eastern front, but a few were used to raid Britain in 400 mph shallow dives. Must have been spooky.
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2005, 08:41:07 AM »
Looks like there are some useable bombers to be added then ;)
I forgot, I have a nice books about LW planes. I'll look up some stuff and post.
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