Author Topic: Spit armament (Read 1155 times)

Kev367th · « **on:** January 04, 2005, 10:03:42 AM »

Any chance of the Spit V with 4x20mm Hispanos, 'C' wing option.
Pretty common loadout.
They could take Hispano Mk1 or Mk2.

Spit 9 also used them, but was very rare, the 2x50 and 2x20 we have we was much more common.

dedalos · « **Reply #1 on:** January 04, 2005, 10:05:44 AM »

Thats all we need. Levi, Slap and a couple of others with 4 Hispanos running around in the MA

Perk the V

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No wait. Perk them:D

SlapShot · « **Reply #2 on:** January 04, 2005, 11:04:49 AM »

Is the "C" wing the clipped wing ?

4x20mm would be cool ... trying to get those last 2 or so kills with just 303s is a lot of fun tho.

Thats when you really need to get up close and personal and maintain it while you try to concentrate the 303 stream on just one component ... thats the challenge with the 303s.

Kev367th · « **Reply #3 on:** January 04, 2005, 01:32:52 PM »

Clipped wings appeared on c and e wings.
Usually the plane would have a low alt Merlin and be designated with LF, eg LFVIII.
A clipped wing Spit LFVIII in here would be a monster!!!!
Hi alt had the hi alt merlin and the pointy wing tips. Prefixed with HF.

Urchin · « **Reply #4 on:** January 04, 2005, 10:11:04 PM »

I'd be all for a clipped wing Spit, not really for one with 4 Hizookas though. If you want a good turner with 4 Hizookas, there is always the Hurri-2C. If you want a fast plane with 4 Hizookas, there is the Tiffie.

I think if you want the best blend of the two, you outta give up 2 of the Hizookas, probably just me though.

Karnak · « **Reply #5 on:** January 04, 2005, 10:34:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
I think if you want the best blend of the two, you outta give up 2 of the Hizookas, probably just me though.

Not just you. I'm a Spitfire fan and I'd not want to see a quad Hispano Spitfire in AH unless it were perked significantly.

Quad Hispano Spit's were not common, but we here all know that if one were added into AH as a free aircraft it'd be the most common Spit by far. I just don't think it's right when historically rare versions of important aircraft vastly outnumber the historically common versions. See: F4U-1D and F4U-1C (pre-perk) for reference.

Kev367th,

Note that it was the engine that deterimed if it was an HF, F or LF. Many HFs did not have extended wingtips and many LFs did not have clipped wings. Heck, there might even have been an occasional HF with clipped wings, I seem to recall hints of it.

Urchin · « **Reply #6 on:** January 04, 2005, 10:45:11 PM »

Yea, I agree with Karnak, pretty much how I feel about it, he just said it better.

On a side note, I really do think we need a faster Spit for the Ma. A clipped wing Spit IX LF would do nicely. On the other hand, our Spit 14 would do nicely too, were it unperked.

Kev367th · « **Reply #7 on:** January 04, 2005, 11:46:23 PM »

cc Karnak, that why I mentioned the HF/LF designation.

Quad 20mm Spit 5's were fairly common, it was the Spit 9 they were rare on, something about the Spit 9 'e' wing gave heating problems.

Urchin - what we need is the clipped wing LFVIII, we already have the airframe, Spit 14 we have used Spit 8 airframe.
Don't think a 4 cannon Spit 5 would become overly used, it just doesn't have the speed to catch most planes in the MA. Its not as if the 4 cannon Spit 5 never existed, just asking for a another option for loadout.
Bad enough it doesn't even have drop tanks, which the Spit 5 did, well slipper tanks.
Dunno, we have a Spit 5 with only 1/2 the options we should have, a bastardised Spit 9, and a Spit 14 that just isn't worth it.

Spit14 perks is a joke, just a way to stop people using it. No way is it worth just under a Tempest when LA7/P51 avail unperked.

Heretik · « **Reply #8 on:** January 05, 2005, 02:22:43 AM »

I think our Spit14 should be perked about the same as a CHog. We could have a quad Hispano Mk22 to replace it as an "expensive bird." Perk that one right up with the Tempest.

Schutt · « **Reply #9 on:** January 05, 2005, 02:33:34 AM »

Can i use the 303 ammo boxes for extra hispano ammo rounds?

I mean im fine flying with 2 hispanos... but id like more ammo instead of the brownings.

SlapShot · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2005, 07:51:40 AM »

In the subsequent Mk. V series a compromise between performance and firepower was reached. In these Spitfires, (which began rolling off the assembly line in March of 1941) two types of wings were adopted. A standard one, identified by the prefix F; and a shorter one that was clipped at the end (prefix LF) and was suited to flying a low altitudes. Following this were different armament variations in the Mk. VA (eight machine guns), the Mk. VB (four machine guns and two 20mm cannons), to the Mk. VC (four 20mm cannons). The Mk. VC was fitted with a universal wing capable of carrying all previous armament configurations. As for powerplants, Merlin 45 and 50 were used generating 1,440 hp and 1,490 hp respectively. Production numbers of the Mk. V were enormous with 94 Mk. VA's, 3,923 Mk. VB's, and 2,447 Mk. VC's. In addition 229 Mk. IV versions were produced for photoreconnaissance.

As you can see there was a significant amount of the VCs made. No way to tell exactly how many were fitted with the quad 20mms, but I would presume a significant amount were.

Too bad the hanger is not setup to perk gun packages instead of just the plane.

Pongo · « **Reply #11 on:** January 05, 2005, 10:20:05 AM »

Good sugestion slap. Perk load outs.

Karnak · « **Reply #12 on:** January 05, 2005, 10:29:26 AM »

Slapshot,

A lot of the VCs had two of their cannon removed by ground crews once they were in service.

Really, the quad cannon Spits (and even six cannon planned Spits) were in anticipation on continuing BoB type anti-bomber activity. In the actual event that did not materialize and two cannon provided more than adequate firepower for the tasks the Spitfire was to be used for.

Now in AH the Spitfire is suddenly being thrown at big bombers and more firepower is wanted again so the quad cannon request makes sense in this context. I just don't think it should be uncontroled. Slapshot's idea would work fine as would perking an entire airframe.

Karnak · « **Reply #13 on:** January 05, 2005, 10:29:27 AM »

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Urchin · « **Reply #14 on:** January 05, 2005, 10:33:22 AM »

Could the slipper tanks on the Spit V even be dropped in flight? I thought they were put on for adding ferry range, not extending combat range.