Flying at 20k

[jamusta]

I am one who used to complain about alt monkeys. I would hardly ever fly above say 12k. Most times I would be around 8k. In my recent quest to crush the horde I have had to fly 20k+ to engage them. I have found that the majority fly that high because it grants them safe passage to their target. Most dont fly that high to have an advantage. I have been flying that high for a couple of weeks and now have the trend down pack. I find that they are unable to fight at that alt. The thin air causes them to stall. The majority will just dive away. Those who are at 25k will simply fly past you. Those that are willing to engage start flopping around, but that is the minority.

If you are gonna fly that high learn to fight that high...

Maybe a new movement is in order.

Like from Al Bundy... No MA'AM

Men Against Alt Monkeys

[rshubert]

If this trend continues, we will have

*  Air to air combat at altitudes above 20000 feet.

* Large groups of somewhat organized attackers and defenders

What next?  It's starting to look like WW2 in here!

[jamusta]

No we will have even more people flying high for no reason to avoid fighting

[mars01]

LOL,

When I can't find any low level fights, I started flying between 10k and 20k and put the restraint on myself that I could not go below 10k.  Mostly just to push the alt monkeys down.

I found the same thing Jam as well as found some good fights.  But more often then not, the second these alt monkeys get in trouble they dive strait to the deck.  I laugh my arse off because now they have to spend all that time climbing back up to 20K.

HAHAHAHA.

[streetstang]

I tried this once before. It was when we made the change over to AH2 and it seemed as if more players than ever before were flying at foolish, and to them useless altitudes. (useless only because they have no clue to how use alt or even how to fight a high alt fight)

I could only do this for a week or two before I got so completely bored that I couldnt take it anymore. Now the highest I'll ever go is 15k. And thats only if I'm afk. Really 10k is all you'll ever need. Most dont realize this. Or even understand why thats all you need. Anyone diving on you from 20k is going to be way too fast to make any sort of a shot IF you know they are there. And if they aren't too fast (which can be told by rate of closure) they are no more of a threat than someone who is engaging from co-alt.

Basicly what I'm getting at is a 20k con is absolutly no threat when  you are at 10k. For one they will probably never see you from that high, never notice you. And when they do, sucking the E out of someone or even forcing an over shot isn't much of a difficult task with 10k to work with.

[mars01]

Basicly what I'm getting at is a 20k con is absolutly no threat when you are at 10k. For one they will probably never see you from that high, never notice you. And when they do, sucking the E out of someone or even forcing an over shot isn't much of a difficult task with 10k to work with.

Yep, but when they are the only morons to fight you dont have much choice other than log off.  Something I have been doing alot lately lolh.

[rshubert]

The European fight in WW2 was all about altitude.  The bombers flew higher to avoid the fighters who flew higher to kill the bombers who flew higher...

The P47 was king of the air because of it's high alt performance, as was the P-51, some versions of the 109, and on and on...

Recall that the p-39 and P-40 were considered unfit for service in the European theater due to their poor high alt performance.

I guess what I am saying is that high alt is closer to reality than low alt.  What's the problem, here?  Are you bored by the climbout?  The large difference in the maneuver performance of your aircraft at high alt bugs you?  What, exactly?  When we go up against Rooks, we take into account that they tend to fly higher than Knights, and act accordingly.

It seems to me that you want thumb candy.  Take off, gain a little speed, and immediately start shooting at the cylons or the imperial tie fighters.  Maybe we could arrange it so you could air-spawn near the enemy base.

[mars01]

Hubert what you never and cant understand is that some people aren't here to pretend this is real life, and don't have all day to fly around and would rather fight than fly around.  On top of which, if you do climb up to 20k and meet a con they are inept and can't fight because all they really do is BnZ or dive away so when they get into a fight where they don't have an advantage they are screwed.

It wouldn't be so bad if I knew that if I climbed to 20k I would find some good fights.  Problem is that most people are at 20k cause the have to be to survive.

[jamusta]

Shubie sometimes you just dont get it man....You are thinking in terms of WWII, well guess what this isnt WWII.

The problem is not the alt, it is the fact that they climb that high to AVOID the fight is the problem. I decided to stop complaining about the alt monkeys and simply fly up to them. What did I find at 20k? Not a darn thing. A bunch of 190s 51's thats it. I did see a zeke at 25k. When I try to engage they dive away or simply out run me. Well im not gonna chase them down after climbing that high.

[rshubert]

There really are two sides to this discussion, and yours is one of them.

Let's take it point by point.

You "just want to fight".  Ok.  Then find a like-minded playmate, and play.  Yes, we are climbing high to avoid a dogfight.  Why?  Because WE ARE CARRYING 3 OR 4 THOUSAND POUNDS OF EXTRA WEIGHT THAT WE WANT TO DELIVER TO A TARGET.  We cannot win a dogfight under those conditions.  We don't have the energy to win a dogfight, and CAN'T GET IT, EVEN IF WE DROP OUR ORD AT DOT DISTANCE.

In my book, YOU WIN if I drop my ordnance.  You have already won, even if I shoot you down.  That's because my goal is to deliver the ordnance to the target, and destroy the target.  On the other hand, if I avoid getting shot down and manage to make my delivery, I just beat you.  You were unable to stop me.  Neener-neener.

In my humble opinion, your gameplay is too one-dimensional.  Your entire world centers around a dogfight, and you miss the potential for a lot of fun in the other aspects of the game.

Many of us don't have a need to have a heart-pounding experience every minute online, no matter how much or little time we spend in the game.  Different strokes for different folks, as they used to say when I was a kid.

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by jamusta
Shubie sometimes you just dont get it man....You are thinking in terms of WWII, well guess what this isnt WWII.

The problem is not the alt, it is the fact that they climb that high to AVOID the fight is the problem. I decided to stop complaining about the alt monkeys and simply fly up to them. What did I find at 20k? Not a darn thing. A bunch of 190s 51's thats it. I did see a zeke at 25k. When I try to engage they dive away or simply out run me. Well im not gonna chase them down after climbing that high.

You just illustrate the whole point. They don't have a clue. Why would someone take a zeke up to 25K. That plane is useless up there. Any decent stick in a decent plane will run him down in a dive so he can't excape either.

[mars01]

Huebert why are you talking about tool shed killing.

We all know why toolshed killers fly that high.  Jam started this thread talking about people that fly that high and can't fight.  We all know why  the tool shed heros can't fight lol.

In my humble opinion, your gameplay is too one-dimensional. Your entire world centers around a dogfight, and you miss the potential for a lot of fun in the other aspects of the game.

Why do you feel the need to espouse your one dimesional view of our gameplay.  That horse is dead.

We don't miss the potential of anything.  I've done the toolshed hero, stratigize to win the war thing, not much too it.

[streetstang]

Originally posted by rshubert
There really are two sides to this discussion, and yours is one of them.

Let's take it point by point.

You "just want to fight".  Ok.  Then find a like-minded playmate, and play.  Yes, we are climbing high to avoid a dogfight.  Why?  Because WE ARE CARRYING 3 OR 4 THOUSAND POUNDS OF EXTRA WEIGHT THAT WE WANT TO DELIVER TO A TARGET.  We cannot win a dogfight under those conditions.  We don't have the energy to win a dogfight, and CAN'T GET IT, EVEN IF WE DROP OUR ORD AT DOT DISTANCE.

In my book, YOU WIN if I drop my ordnance.  You have already won, even if I shoot you down.  That's because my goal is to deliver the ordnance to the target, and destroy the target.  On the other hand, if I avoid getting shot down and manage to make my delivery, I just beat you.  You were unable to stop me.  Neener-neener.

In my humble opinion, your gameplay is too one-dimensional.  Your entire world centers around a dogfight, and you miss the potential for a lot of fun in the other aspects of the game.

Many of us don't have a need to have a heart-pounding experience every minute online, no matter how much or little time we spend in the game.  Different strokes for different folks, as they used to say when I was a kid.

Shubie, I can respect you for playing the game for the reasons you do. And I can understand why you fly the way you do.  

I should clearify what I mean, or who I was directing my statements toward. Its the guys who only fly high and think they are up there with an advantage. They make one pass and when they are sucked dry of the E advantage either Die or do anything they can to turn and run for home. These are the ones who when met co-alt, will not merge with you and commit to a fight. And those are the ones Jamusta is talking about.

I wont load a fighter up with three thousand pounds of bombs just for the simple sake of bombing something. To me, there is no real challenge in doing that other than not getting shot down because your heavy. Sure you can fly higher than the rest, but even then there is no challenge in that either. Like you said, different strokes for different folks.

I only critisize those who will fly a light fighter and engage only when they have 20k under them and no cons above them. To me thats the lamest in the game. I'm not saying you have to take a 190 down on the deck and turn fight with spits either. Altho there are thoes that do.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by mars01
Huebert why are you talking about tool shed killing.

We all know why toolshed killers fly that high.  Jam started this thread talking about people that fly that high and can't fight.  We all know why  the tool shed heros can't fight lol.

 Why do you feel the need to espouse your one dimesional view of our gameplay.  That horse is dead.

We don't miss the potential of anything.  I've done the toolshed hero, stratigize to win the war thing, not much too it.

Well, here's where I turn the tables...you probably don't do the toolshed killing thing because you're not very good at it.  You know, can't pull up in time, or miss the toolshed, or keep getting killed by the ack, or don't have enough patience to learn anything beyond turning the plane in small, tight circles.

And, by the way, my view of the game is not one dimensional.  I fly fighters, bombers, attack, and vehicle sorties.  I resupply, capture bases, sometimes fly in furballs, and vulch when I get the opportunity.  It's all good.

But, you will note, I never start threads running down your game play style, implying that you are somehow of a lesser breed due to your concentration on only one aspect.  I leave that to you gomers.  Then I have fun trying (without much luck) to show you how ridiculous your position is.  I think you suffer from cranial rectal self-insertion.  It blocks the sight, the hearing, and it smells bad.

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by rshubert
or don't have enough patience to learn anything beyond turning the plane in small, tight circles.
 

just curious, doesn't this butter knife slice both ways?


the ones with out knowledge are the ones turning in tight small circles?  am I right?