Hordes!

[lazs2]

as long as the fields are all more than 3/4 of a sector apart and easy to pork but not take...  there will be a lack of good fights.

fields 3/4 of a sector apart... easier capture... would make the action move fast and fun.   No perks for a "win".

lazs

[SuperDud]

I've been playing for a little over 3 months now and can say that my first few days were spent in the horde. All I did was log on and look for the biggest green bar and go with it. I'd scrape up a kill here and there(cherry pickin:) and think this was the norm. The few times I did venture out on my own I'd run into a bad guy and do my TnB and die. This soon got frustrating for me and thankfully, on one of my runs I ran into someone who directed me and took me to the TA to practice. There I met Ghosth and Fuze among others and since then have become much better. The average newbie doesn't think about going to the TA first, they want to get into the fight. They then travel in the horde and get a few kills and figure they didn't need the TA anyway. My suggestion for you vets would be when you run across someone that obviously is new pvt message them and ask how long they been playin. If you don't feel like taking them to the TA invite them to wing with you or stress the importance of the TA. It's sorta like the big brother/sister thing. Most(but not all) newbies quickly learn who the vets are and gain a healthy respect for them so advice coming from the vets carries more weight. If you show them "correct" combat fighting than you will have the fights you seek. If you guys really want better fights than HO... extend... repeat, than maybe this will help. Up until I went to the TA, this seemed like a pretty good plan to me and the norm. I know some of you already do this (because I was the victim lol) and I can't tell you how helpful it is. But maybe if more of you would adopt a baby seal the MA would be a better place.

PS: Just gotta say to Furball there will be a day when you don't kill me before I finish the merge!:p

[lazs2]

super dud... really good attitude.   If you keep that attitude and are stuborn... you will get good... You will know that when you meet a con that even if he has an alt advantage you have a better than even chance of killing him and.... you will learn to enjoy a really good fight.

I never tried to get help..  I was just too stubborn and... in the old days... people fought..  there were large furballs for the looking.  People payed $2 an hour or more to play and they didn't log on to fly around doing nothing or even to kill toolsheds.  It was easy to find one good fight after another with lots of planes all whirling around in a big furball.

To get good in the current AH you would need to spend a lot of time in the TA or... maybe 5 years of cherry picking or... 6 months of flying into the enemy horde and getting killed.   problem with the latter is that you won't get much fighting as the attention starved lat model guys will be so starved for a kill that they will timidly B&Z at you even tho there are allready 15 guys on you.

The arena is not really set up to learn to get good I don't believe.

lazs

[Widewing]

Originally posted by thrila
Nothing wrong with spits in the MA, one of the only planes you can almost guarantee will fight rather than flee.

Well, of course, Spitfires can't flee!  

Bless those boys in FM-2s, Zeros and Hurricanes. You know they came to fight!

My regards,

Widewing

[Grits]

I like the F4F in addition to that group because it has those two extra .50's over the FM-2.

I flew the Spit V for the first time since it got the higer boost setting and it has offically taken over the role of AH's "helocopter" from the Niki.

[Cobra412]

There are a few funny things about this whole thread.  You have the supposed veterans stating it's their fault for not teaching the new guys the right way.  If you watch who's running these "horde missions" you'll find it is infact the veterans that are doing it.  

Because Darkish was so generous and posted us a photo lets just take a look at it.  At A160 there is approximately 26 people within the radar zone.  How many people does it take to effectively take a small airfield?  1 fighter/bomber for the VH, 1 maybe 2 buff groups to eliminate the FHs, 3 maybe 4 more buffs to carpet bomb the town, 1 maybe 2 more fighter/bombers to eliminate any missed items in the town, 4 or 5 fighters max to CAP any fighters that got up before the FHs were hit and 1 goon maybe 2.  That's a total of 16 aircraft if we go with the maximum amount.

The majority of the missions run anymore are a gaggle of people with little to no direction.  I've seen this when I was a Bishop and I've seen it as a Rook.  The whole group is typically in total disarray.  Bomber groups are typically in wide spread formations with no fighter cover close or if they are close they aren't in the right position to defend if necessary.  When they are in the right position they get hung up chasing someone to the deck to get a kill which ends up taking them out of their intended role which was to protect the heavy bombers and fighter/bombers.  

Little to no thought goes into what needs to come down first most of the time or what portion of the mission should launch first.  They try to launch everything at once which in the end throws a huge dar bar which in turn sometimes gets peoples attention.  When it does get peoples attention they've for the most part guaranteed atleast an extremely long drawn out battle and maybe a base capture.  That is ofcourse if half the group doesn't give up after they've met resistance.  How often do mission planners actually put up blocking forces at surrounding enemy bases to limit the amount of out of area contacts coming to spoil the raid?  

People can scream and yell about hordes being hordes because they are to chicken to fight alone.  When in reality it's because they lack what it takes to effectively attack a field and neutralize any possible threats at the base and from surrounding bases.  They come into the field only to auger due to compressing from their 10 to 12k dives and they might actually hit their target.  Even prior to that their target choice is beyond absurd.  When taking a base how often do you see them taking out fuel or troops?  Why would  do that when your trying to take the base in the first place and unless you fail troops mean nothing and fuel means little to start with in the first place.  It's a waste of resources and a taking a chance that you'll die on such a meaningless target.  People try to drop from 1 and 2k on their targets only to get killed by ack or to compress and die.  When if they were actually pulling up prior to 3 or 5k from their release the probability of dying would end up being alot less.  That would mean though you'd have to take the time to learn how to drop from a higher altitude which is asking alot from the community and their "fun time".  The same "fun time" that people are spending countless hours online so they can "win" but yet complain because this is to hard to kill or this isn't hard enough to kill and there is too many hordes.  Most folks will squeak and complain because they want it to be fun and that they want to win but don't want to put in the effort to make it happen.

[Jackal1]

Yawn  ZzZzzzzzz Zzzzzz

[rshubert]

Originally posted by Zazen13
You are speaking of trying to get unescorted bombers through to targets. Of course the unescorted bombers did not want to fight. When they had escort later they did everything possible to encourage the luftwaffe to come up and fight.

Second call.  You are interpreting the facts differently from published historical reports.  Check the literature.

[lazs2]

the only gameplay more boring than a bunch of unorganized hordes is the gameplay that involves a bunch of organized hordes.

lazs

[jamusta]

Not if the organized hordes meet....

[lazs2]

like that will ever happen...  

The hordes we have these days... well..  the guys will drop their mouse on the floor and auger if they see any red planes or... if they are high enough they will turn around and go home.

lazs

[Zanth]

Originally posted by Darkish
Sick of it.....

I see all those reds incoming as an opportunity - (we did get some gv's to up though and I think we stopped that mission if i remember right.)  The game has been about big red bars vs. little green bars for a long time now.  Cant change it so roll with it, what is the worst that can happen?  

[Glasses]

Since everyone is complaining always about hordes,score potatos and gangbanging...

Why doesn't HTC put in a Score pimp you know it could be a P-47 with a feather skin and pink interior with a fly pilot looking for is corner of the land and watching that the customers don't stiff him and each country gets one, he's be superfly mother trucker yes he would.

[jamusta]

Originally posted by lazs2
like that will ever happen...  

The hordes we have these days... well..  the guys will drop their mouse on the floor and auger if they see any red planes or... if they are high enough they will turn around and go home.

lazs

I can dream cant I?

It did happen once ya know

[Cobra412]

Laz are you saying a mission with 16 people is a horde?  Is it boring because people don't have the patience to go attack these incoming flights?  You guys say you want action.  Well I'd say having a group coming in like that will get you plenty of action.