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Offline KurtVW

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« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2005, 12:43:09 AM »
Oh, sure.. I post so the thread dies.. I see how it is!

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« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2005, 02:09:20 AM »
As primarilly a bomber pilot in this game I usually fly at anywhere between 10 to 30K but even I have made runs between 1 and 5K and I see no problem with formations or even low lvl bombers because those things resemble reality but the dive bombing Lancs, 17's, 24's, and 26's just arn't realistic. The JU88's were designed as dive bombers as well as the 87's though rarelly used and even the KI67 was used as an explosives-laden kamikaze plane in the war.
  I say stop the unrealistic usage of bombers not what dosn't seem fun for you. .
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« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2005, 07:51:20 AM »
the major kurt says that his grandpaw doesn't feel that the the fluffs in AH are gamey compared to everything else so I guess until I get to be at least a colonel I better keep quiet about it.

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« Reply #48 on: January 06, 2005, 09:39:32 AM »
Getting rid of formations would most likely take the bombers out of the game again. Why you ask? Without a formation a single bomber would almost never make it to the target. Why you ask? Bombers are actually easy to shoot down. It takes patients and planning and most of all practice, but it’s actually pretty simple. While I personally haven’t mastered it, I know many players that can take an entire formation by themselves on a regular basis.  However, if you are working a bomber group, and a few friendly get involved, and you get greedy, and you abandon your sound bomber attacking tactic's because you are afraid someone is going to steal your kills you been working? You’ll probably die in short order!  :D  
We seen heavy bomber nearly become extinct in the MA for a long time when HT added the calibration. It wasn’t the calibration alone that caused the bomber pilots to sit it out in the OC drinking the year away. It was the combination of the calibration system, the wind, the ease of being shot down, and the task of keeping your formation intact while turning back to hit the targets missed due to a very touchy calibration system. This all became very NOT FUN for bombers pilots.

 HTC found a compromise to get the bomber pilots out of the Officers Club and sobered up by removing one of the calibration elements. It worked excellent! wtg HTC. I think it very appropriate to see waves of bombers in the AH Skies. It gives the game a balanced nostalgic feel.
Lets do an “IF” thingy.
“If” yous 6 guys would stop chasing that “Lgay7”…that  “FW-Run-90”…or that “FW Run-O-9” for 25 miles just to gang rape it. And “IF” 4 of you pull off to patrol for incoming bombers .. (More than 7 miles from your own ack)…And “If” you and your gang minded buddies work those pesky bombers as a team. Then we probably wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Hey, here is an idea. I once read about an “Elite” group of pilots that are forming to stop the hoard. “Dedicated to chasing the horde all over the skies of AH. We will force the capturing horde into a furball. Everywhere the horde goes this elite group will follow. We will fly to the base where the horde is forming up for its attack. Once there we will pounce upon the helpless heavy followers of the horde until they decide enough is enough. then it’s off to the next large darbar to find more horde to feast on.” This last part is very unlikely to happen. Wana bet that they just de-ack said field and vulch it till outa ammo…then they will all rtb?
Maybe these “Elitists” can help you with your bomber problem?
Ahh yes…here it is
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=138894&referrerid=7566

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I think formations should stay because they represent the true balance of bombers to fighters.  Lets not forget that bombers would go up by the hundreds, fighters would come up by the dozens..  Not the other way around.

Most WWII bombers were killed by Flak, not by fighters.

And lastly, the escorts were charged with keeping the fighters away from the formations... They didn't fight within the formation.  The bombers were expected to take care of anything that got past the screen.  And part of that tactic was the bomber box and that is the formation we see in AH.

Very Well said Kurt

Bomber attacking is actually very fun as well as challenging. The bonus is getting 3 kills as opposed to only 1 guy out of the 3 gang rappers getting the kill on a single “runner”.
Oh…. that’s the problem?…the bombers have lead coming out their arse? God forbid we get shot at while trying to gang rape.
Never mind, I thought we were having a rational discussion.
Carry On. :P

PS. I dispise dive bombing heavy bombers. I just thinks it cheezy.
Maybe set a parameter for Speed vs. AOA that would cause bombers to liquefy and poor outa the sky (like the terminator movie) while trying such nonsense.
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« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2005, 10:41:58 AM »
Only one problem with all these logical arguments. Back then bombers expected to get home - in AH the people who are abusing the system do not. They want to get in at 500 ft, dump their bombs to take out hangars or carriers, and anything else is gravy.

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« Reply #50 on: January 06, 2005, 06:25:19 PM »
Lots of bombers always encourage me to fly 190's :D
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2005, 07:46:52 AM »
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Only one problem with all these logical arguments. Back then bombers expected to get home - in AH the people who are abusing the system do not. They want to get in at 500 ft, dump their bombs to take out hangars or carriers, and anything else is gravy.


And this is also exactly why escorts don't work in AH... In real life, an attacker faced with having to get past an escort might go away, or get engaged with the escort... And since he wants to live, he's going to think about this.

In AH, plenty of fighter pilots are suicidal.  They will blow right past the escort in hope of getting the bomber kill before getting killed themselves.  The only place in AH where escorts work is in Special events where you only get one life.  That changes the math significantly.

Just for the record, in bombers I fly to live.  The only time I make suicidal runs is if I'm doing something specific to assist my squad.  In those cases I'll admit, the end justifies the means.