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« on: January 11, 2005, 04:20:01 PM »
Afghanistan, Iraq and "Palestine" are all occupied. Why is it that they are the only 3 Arab nations that have or will have free elections?

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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2005, 05:00:25 PM »
they werent free.

so far its cost billions.

can you say "arbooooosto?"
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2005, 05:01:43 PM »
as usual, you do not have a clue what you are talking about.

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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2005, 05:02:52 PM »
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Afghanistan, Iraq and "Palestine" are all occupied. Why is it that they are the only 3 Arab nations that have or will have free elections?




Okay... not Arabic... but Islamic... ;)
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2005, 05:03:56 PM »
Isn't Jordan democratic?
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2005, 05:04:20 PM »
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Turks are not Arabs.

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2005, 05:04:45 PM »
Neither Turkey or Afghanistan are Arab...

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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2005, 05:05:41 PM »
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Afghanistan, Iraq and "Palestine" are all occupied. Why is it that they are the only 3 Arab nations that have or will have free elections?
Afghans are not Arabs

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2005, 05:06:02 PM »
I didn't think Turkey was Arab.

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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2005, 05:06:30 PM »
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Isn't Jordan democratic?


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Re: Re: Re: Arabs, freedom, democracy
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2005, 05:06:44 PM »
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Turks are not Arabs.


The CIA factbook lists Arabic as one of the predominant lanquages in Turkey... I'm guessing it must be the Chinese that speak it. ;)
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2005, 05:08:33 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2005, 05:09:28 PM »
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Neither Turkey or Afghanistan are Arab...


Thanks.

So that makes only "Palestine" and Iraq, both occupied, as the only Arab "nations" on earth that will hold free elections.

What wrong with the Arab nations? They seem to be afraid of freedom

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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2005, 05:09:52 PM »
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Okay... not Arabic... but Islamic... ;)



Not only that but a very important part of our thanksgiving.;)

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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2005, 05:09:55 PM »
Turks are not Arabs, Sandman.

BTW the world's most populous Muslim  nation, and a muslim majoprity nation no less, is a democracy with universal voting rights for adult men and women...