Author Topic: flying butresses on the white house. (Read 1278 times)

patrone · « **Reply #30 on:** January 13, 2005, 07:00:48 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
He is perfectly clear, he means in his personal view, reflecting on his personal needs and values as he currently carries out the responsibilities of this high office.

Yes, he really does. He exactly did´nt hide anything about his personal views, so it should not really come as a suprise to anyone.
I have to go back to read my history books.

HugeHead · « **Reply #31 on:** January 13, 2005, 07:50:18 PM »

Grunherz,

Im not sure you understand my point. He used the term "Lord" that is open for interpretation among many religions when spoken by a Christian. Since to Christians it implies Jesus and not God or even one in the same. That is a belief not shared by all. You are interpreting his meaning. A better perspective might be gained by asking a non-Christian how they percieve this quote.

He says in part - "On the other hand, I don't see how you can be president at least from my perspective, how you can be president, without a relationship with the Lord." - GWbush

Do you believe that the term "Lord" means the same in Christian faith as it does in other Religions? Having grown up a Christian my experience makes me think otherwise and that it has a special meaning (Christ our Lord) to us. The meaning some non-Christians may take from this is that the President of the US feels you must have a relationship with Jesus aka be a Christian to be President IHO.

No one should be surprised by this to be sure. His ties to the fundamentalist movement is well documented.

I think Sandman is probably right on the money with his last post. Please don't take this the wrong way...Im not trying to bash Bush .

hh

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #32 on:** January 13, 2005, 08:03:19 PM »

I understand perfectly, "Lord" is open to interpretation as a speciifically christian reference, and I suppose that it is, because Bush is a Christian and I hope that we can agrre that he has every first ammended right to express his faith. However the context is clearly defined as it relates to Bush's personal views needs and values as the president at this time, ie what helps him, not as general statement that all presidents must be christians.

ra · « **Reply #33 on:** January 13, 2005, 08:07:52 PM »

"I fully understand that the job of the president is and must always be protecting the great right of people to worship or not worship as they see fit. "

Yeah, that sounds like the slippery slope to theocracy.

Staga · « **Reply #34 on:** January 14, 2005, 01:23:50 AM »

Selective reading? Okay

Lazerus · « **Reply #35 on:** January 14, 2005, 02:17:11 AM »

Good God, what a bunch of nit picking *******s.

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Originally posted by HugeHead
Still the real issue here is what he meant by the term "Lord".

There is no question of what he meant.

There is no doubt that he also stated that one of the most important principles that the leader of the United States of America should have is the principle of the right of the people to practice religion freely. No matter who their 'Lord' is.

Our president is a christian. Most of our country is christian.

Get over it.

The overwhelming majority of christians have no desire to impose their beliefs on others.

There is no controversy here,

"No establishment of religion"

None has been made, except by overzealous judges that are trying to create law.

I can't remember the last time I went to church, just to clarify my point.

Saintaw · « **Reply #36 on:** January 14, 2005, 07:54:14 AM »

I have to ask: What is a butress?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #37 on:** January 14, 2005, 08:01:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Saintaw
I have to ask: What is a butress?

How on earth doues a ferenchman not know whst a flying butess is?

They are the wall suports as seen on this quaint little chapel.

JB88 · « **Reply #38 on:** January 14, 2005, 08:02:50 AM »

flying buttress
n : a buttress that stands apart from the main structure and
connected to it by an arch [syn: arc-boutant]

often used on gothic cathedrals.

JB88 · « **Reply #39 on:** January 14, 2005, 08:04:22 AM »

flying butress' had extended arches. much more flourishy than your standard butress.

Saintaw · « **Reply #40 on:** January 14, 2005, 08:09:04 AM »

Ahhh 't has to do with Churches, my alergy to anything remotedly religious* might explain my ignorance

Thank you lads!

(I was hoping it was something nasty that had to do with butter on a butt... I am a little dissapointed.)

* Last time I found myself in a church, with a singing nun next to me still hurts. I still blame lada for this, you fe**er!!!

JB88 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 14, 2005, 08:15:03 AM »

Saintaw · « **Reply #42 on:** January 14, 2005, 08:40:50 AM »

True story:

Lada (Orel) being a squadie of mine sends me an email about a (girl) friend of his comming over to live in Antwerp, Belgium. He asks me if I want to play the tour guide, and show her around Brussels.

Being single at the time, I jump on the occasion, get in touch with her... we decide to meet in the main station downtown, where I'd pick her up & show her the town. (read: get her pissed and take advantage of the moment

)

Waiting at the station, at one point, this girl, dressed from head to toe in pink comes towards me jumping around on one foot. (mhhh...oooookaaaaaaayyy... I think)

We sit down, have a coffee... and chat a little. Turns out she's an ex-nun. At this point I tell myself "Alain, you're an open minded guy... lets see how this day turns out".

No matter how open minded I thought I was, the only thing she was interested in visiting were churches and cathedrals (NOT my best subject)... I get along with the program and try to remember were those are... get into the 1st known church we find... I shut up (know nothing on the subject)... and appreciate the silence. That is, untill she starts singing (beautifull voice, mind you... just not my favourite kind of music).

The rest of the day was a blur of voices in my head going "fe* fe* fe*!!!!" and hoping no-one I knew saw me enter a church.

Edited for f***ing E letter not werking properly on my keyboard!

straffo · « **Reply #43 on:** January 14, 2005, 08:57:20 AM »

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Originally posted by JB88
flying buttress
n : a buttress that stands apart from the main structure and
connected to it by an arch [syn: arc-boutant]

often used on gothic cathedrals.

You should have used arc-boutant and no one would have ask even the wanabe frenchman from outre-quiévrain

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #44 on:** January 14, 2005, 08:58:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Saintaw
Ahhh 't has to do with Churches, my alergy to anything remotedly religious* might explain my ignorance

I was like you before, very much against religion and ridicuiling the bible etc. However I have since gained a new respect for it all after I took some Bible history courses. Though I dont consider myself a practing religious person I do find that the bible is an extremely fascvinating well written and engaging piece of literature, one well wrth looking into. Give it a try, lerarn something new, you might find some value in it.