how iraq was, is, and shall continue to be a total f - up

[Crumpp]

Yeah:
Please tell us the story about the Jews and the Finns again...........

Sure.  Finland was an Axis Nation that fully supported the Nazi's.  Right down to having their own SS Units serving the German Army.

To keep their own hands from being bloody during the war they deported over 2000 jews to other countries to be killed in concentration camps or left to their fate.  Either way they were kicked out of Finland and certainly not protected.

This way they could both appease their Nazi Masters and their conscience at the same time.  I mean they were not actually gassing or shooting these people.

Crumpp

[patrone]

Originally posted by Crumpp

To keep their own hands from being bloody during the war they deported over 2000 jews to other countries to be killed in concentration camps or left to their fate.  Either way they were kicked out of Finland and certainly not protected.
Crumpp

And Simon Weisental Center gave these guys honourble mention?

Good that we have people like you to tell us the real  truth,
c rumpp

[Crumpp]

Good that we have people like you to tell us the real truth,

Was thinking the same about you, Patrone.

And Simon Weisental Center gave these guys honourble mention?

Lets not twist what the center says.  It simply states Finland deported it's Jews and refused to ENFORCE the anti jewish laws.

Now it does mention such countries as Denmark, who managed to save 80 percent of their jewish population.

There were 2,000 Jews in Finland between the two world wars. During World War II, the Finns fought the Russians, alongside the Germans. Despite strong German pressure, the Finns refused to enforce anti-Jewish legislation.  Jewish refugees were deported from Finland.  

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t021/t02179.html

Lets compare Finnish appeasement with a truly heroic country that deserves the accollades you wish Finland to steal.

 

DENMARK:  Country in northwestern Europe. Jews first settled there in 1622. The Danish people and government protected the Jews during WWII. On October, 1943, 7,200 Jews were saved by being sent by boats to Sweden. About 120 perished because of Nazi persecution (less than 2). In 1968, there were 6-7,000 Jews there

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t017/t01759.html

The Danes bravely saved their Jewish population.

However race was a major issue to the Finns and they were intent on pleasing their Nazi Masters.

Race issues were sources of particular concern: the Finns were not viewed favorably by the Nazi race theorists. By active participation on Germany's side, Finnish leaders hoped for a more independent position in post-war Europe, through the removal of the Soviet threat and the incorporation of the akin Finnic peoples of neighbouring Soviet areas. This view gained increasing popularity in the Finnish leadership, and also in the press, during the spring 1941.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War#Diplomatic_Activities

The Finns were seeking territory to estabilish their own version of the Reich.

Specifically for the Continuation War, Finland aimed at reversing her territorial losses under the March 1940 Moscow Peace Treaty and by extending the territory further east, to guarantee the survival of the Finnic brethren in East-Karelia — thus in effect aiming at creating a Greater Finland, as advocated by vociferous right-wing groups.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War

Here is an informative link to the GERMAN Army's Finnish SS Service.  These guys even managed to get personal accollades from Adolf Hitler himself.

http://www.feldgrau.com/finland.html

Crumpp

[straffo]

Originally posted by Crumpp
To keep their own hands from being bloody during the war they deported over 2000 jews to other countries to be killed in concentration camps or left to their fate.  Either way they were kicked out of Finland and certainly not protected.

Source ?

[genozaur]

Hi, YGSMILO,
Check again those "Allied" victories.
They were won under the command of Russian field marshal (future generalissimo) Suvorov who led the Russian and the Austrian Allied troops.

If you mention this campaign, it's a mistake not to give credit to the greatest military leader of all times.
Please do not imitate the recently published "Atlas of the World War II"(manufactured in GB, published in US) from which everybody can now learn that the battle of Berlin at the end of the WWII  was won by the "Allies".

[Staga]

Originally posted by Crumpp
Sure.  Finland was an Axis Nation that fully supported the Nazi's.  Right down to having their own SS Units serving the German Army.

To keep their own hands from being bloody during the war they deported over 2000 jews to other countries to be killed in concentration camps or left to their fate.  Either way they were kicked out of Finland and certainly not protected.

This way they could both appease their Nazi Masters and their conscience at the same time.  I mean they were not actually gassing or shooting these people.

Crumpp

How can someone be that blind... LOL

[Staga]

http://www.finemb.org.il/Historia.htm

[Staga]

Crump; how about a quote from the site of Jewish community of FInland ?

The Second World War and Finnish Jewry

During the Finnish-Russian War of 1939-40 (the Winter War), Finnish Jews fought alongside their non-Jewish fellow countrymen. During the Finnish-Russian War of 1941-44, in which Finnish Jews also took part, Finland and Nazi-Germany were co-belligerents. Despite strong German pressure, the Finnish Government refused to take action against Finnish nationals of Jewish origin who thus continued to enjoy full civil rights throughout the War. There are many interesting anecdotes from this period, concerning, among others, the presence of a Jewish prayer tent on the Russian front virtually under the Nazi's noses and the food help given to Russian-Jewish POWs by the Jewish communities of Finland.

The Postwar Era

After the end of the War, the integration of Jewish population of Finland into Finnish society was completed. The War of Independence for the State of Israel brought to the new State Finnish-Jewish volunteers as well as weapons donations by the State of Finland. These Finnish volunteers represented the highest per-capita participation of any Diaspora Jewish Community. The following years saw a fairly high rate of aliyah. Today, Finnish Jewry numbers some 1500, of whom about 1200 live in Helsinki, about 200 in Turku, and about 50 in Tampere. There are organised Jewish communities in Helsinki and Turku with their own synagogues, both Ashkenazi-Orthodox, built respectively in 1906 and 1912. The Jewish community of Tampere discontinued its activities in 1981. The communities are members of the Central Council of Jewish Communities in Finland, a consultative body dealing with matters of general interest concerning Jews in Finland. This body is in its turn a member of the European Council of Jewish Community Services and of the World Jewish Congress Connections with communities in the other Nordic (Scandinavian) countries are also maintained.

Today, most of the Finnish Jews are corporate employees or self-employed professionals. Some are civil servants. Among Jews who have occupied important positions, Max Jakobson, former Finnish Ambassador to the United Nations, should be mentioned. In the music-world, the late Dr. Simon Parmet definitely won his place as a composer and conductor. Worth mentioning also is the late painter Sam Vanni, a member of the Finnish Academy and of the European Academy of Science, Art and Literature. Rafael Wardi, another scion of the community, is also a very well-known painter. In 1979, Ben Zyskowicz became the first Finnish Jew to be elected member of Parliament, where he continues to serve today.

I hope you finally stop spreading lies; You're looking quite stupid right now.

[Staga]

Forgot link:  http://www.jchelsinki.fi/

[Crumpp]

Gee Staga,

My Source is the Simon Wiesenthal Center.  Your is a nice hometown college.

by Tapani Harviainen, Professor of Semitic Languages, University of Helsinki

Of course even your source admits:

Nevertheless, the State Police in Finland had agreed with the leaders of the Gestapo that Finland was allowed to deport the undesirable refugees to the areas occupied by the Germans.

And even list's an example of Finlands brave "deportation":

However, on the 6th of October 1942, the State Police had already had five Jewish men and three (or four?) members of their families deported to the Gestapo in occupied Estonia. Officially, the men were claimed to be guilty of espionage and other criminal activities; four of them had minor offences in police records. Nineteen other persons, most of them citizens of the Soviet Union, were deported on board the same boat.  The Gestapo transported the Jews to Birkenau concentration camp. Only one of these people (Georg Kollman, a former citizen of Austria) survived; after the war he immigrated to Israel.

Finland was just appeasing their Nazi Masters is all.....

Or Finland was hoping to grab up some the territory surrounding them as benefits of being such a good Nazi in the Thousand Year Reich.

Crumpp

[straffo]

Ok you found an example with 9 jew being deported ,where are the other 1991 ?

The example you posted is the only one I'm aware off ... I can be uninformed but if it was 2000 people Information would be more easy to find I think.

[Crumpp]

No Straffo,

That is an example of ONE deportation.  Only 9 jews were nabbed up in this ONE deportation.  Finland conducted many deportations of Jews.  It was their policy.

Unlike Denmark whose policy was to save the Jews.

Just look at the facts.  Check out the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

Crumpp

[Staga]

Crumpp; You are in your own class  

[Staga]

btw Crumpp; may I suggest you check where that "hometown college" link leads (drop historia from the link like this: http://www.finemb.org.il ).

Then you should tell Israeli goverment what kind of propaganda is Finnish embassy spreading in Tel Aviv...

There's also phone number and address; be a good boy and call him and ask what happened to Finnish jews in WW2:
Dan Kantor / Executive Secretary
Jewish Community of Helsinki
Tel. +358-9-586 03121

Another link (I know Crumpp won't believe any of that but let's try...):
http://veritas3.holocaust-history.org/questions/finland.shtml

[Crumpp]

Staga,

Is anyone surprised that the Finnish Embassy in ISRAEL is painting a rosy picture of Finlands involvement in the Holocaust?

Of course the Finns are going to put the best possible spin on their servitude and desire to please the Nazi's!.

Crumpp