Iraq War

[straffo]

Originally posted by NUKE
Gh0stFT, Germany in WWI and WWII were mosters.

The US was sent by god to restore world order.

C'est une blaque vivante ce type ou il est simplement comme ça ?

[Vudak]

I don't really have an argument for why the US should not have gone to war with Iraq...  I think the US should lead coalitions to take out madmen throughout the world...

Not to say that once they're gone, we can do much better, but at least we won't be commiting crimes against humanity, genocide, etc. etc. (and, if we do, we'll get a number of years in prison for it  )

I'm personally disappointed in certain countries throughout the world.  One that comes to mind is Germany.  I think it's reasonable that they do their part to remove a dictator for a change.  Even if that just means putting *serious* pressure on one to resign.

I'm sorry, but, for example, with all the Native American Casino's being built lately, it's seems that generations down the road ARE responsible for trying to make up for the wrongdoings of past ones.

As curious as this may sound to people, the War in Iraq is the redeeming quality for Bush IMO.  I don't approve of much of his domestic policy, but his foreign policy, though a bit arrogant, is at least one where serious steps are taken.  It's been awhile since we've had a president who would dare do unpopular things.  I have to give him that.

[Steve]

C'est une blaque vivante ce type ou il est simplement comme ça ?

Translation: The French disagree w/ the war in Iraq because we as the French were not involved.  How can we surrender?

[Gixer]

Originally posted by NUKE
List your best argument against the US  going to war in Iraq.

Mine:  We should have done it a lot sooner.

The best? Cripes there's too many. You still don't get it? Try and think past the propergander and BS you've been inindated with since 9/11 and start to think for yourself. Maybe then you'll understand why the majority of the world and I assume even the US is against the war.




...-Gixer

[straffo]

Originally posted by Steve
Translation: The French disagree w/ the war in Iraq because we as the French were not involved.  How can we surrender?

Nope translation is : what kind of guy can post seriously this kind of sentence

The US was sent by god to restore world order.

without immediatly having the feeling of being ridiculous.

[Steve]

aww Straffo, I'm just pokin a lil fun.

I'm one of those Americans who remebers France's hand in our independence, even though I poke fun at ya now and then.


Thanks.

[straffo]

Ok

I'm also one of those french  that don't forgot  the GI's and their contribution.

I was at Colleville yesterday , I need seriously to buy a  numeric camera to post pictures here.

[Rolex]

Originally posted by NUKE
Rolex, real nice..but why does any of that matter to you? American lives?

I'll borrow Colin Powell's question to Cheney as Cheney tried to rationalize using 9-11 as an excuse to invade Iraq: "What are you, nuts?"

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Gixer
The best? Cripes there's too many. You still don't get it? Try and think past the propergander and BS you've been inindated with since 9/11 and start to think for yourself. Maybe then you'll understand why the majority of the world and I assume even the US is against the war.




...-Gixer

Since I don't agree with you, I must not be thinking for myself.....right? What a concept.

Here is what I ( as in myself) think about the reasons for going into Iraq.

1. We had to put a large force on the ground just to get Saddam to allow inspectors back. It's expensive to keep that force there. The only reason Saddam allowed inpections was that we put those forces over there and threatened him. He did not seem to mind any UN threats up to that point

2. Saddam still was being evasive and was not providing records for the WMD. He still had weapons he was not suppsed to have.

3. What garantee did anyone have that, as soon as the US forces left , he would not immediatley rebuild whatever systems he felt like building.

Saddam had 13 years to comply. It is my belief that he never intended to comply. Even under UN oil for food, he scammed them.

We could not afford to send  a large force back and forth half-way around the world every time Saddam played his games with the UN.

We had given him every chance, even drafted the UN's "LAST CHANCE" which he did not comply with.

I'm sorry you don't like the action we took, but I saw it as the only way we where going to be sure Saddam was gone and Iraq complied with the cease fire agreements of the first war.

Gixer, I suspect the only reason you hate the US and our action in Iraq is that we didn't get UN approval. If we did the same thing, only we had a nice blue stamp of approval from the UN, you would have been fine. Why are you not not following any other wars or conflicts on the planet and complaining about them and the reasons given for those wars?

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by NUKE
Why are you not not following any other wars or conflicts on the planet and complaining about them and the reasons given for those wars?

Originally posted by NUKE
List your best argument against the US going to war in Iraq

If you don't won't to hear don't ask for it...

If I think I was paying taxes when you were in school... What a waste of money!

[NUKE]

Originally posted by 2bighorn
If you don't won't to hear don't ask for it...

If I think I was paying taxes when you were in school... What a waste of money!

I guess you are like Gixer. You both offered no argument, yet made insulting remarks,  just for asking a question.

Skuzzy likes to call that a "personal attack"

Grow up.

[NUKE]

By the way, I feel the Iraq war was more a UN failure than anything else. History will show this to be an prime example of the UN's inability to enforce their own resolutions.

The UN passed the "last chance" resolution, which really was not a last chance at all, as it turned out.

The UN passed all those resolutions for 13 years, but Saddam only allowed inpsectors back AFTER the US put forces down and threatened him. Can anyone else deny this fact? The UN resolutions had nothing to do with Saddam allowing inspections.

The UN should never have let Saddam get away with the violations. The UN should have autherized use of force. That's the biggest failure in dealing with Iraq, the UN's failure to do anything about it.

[Elfie]

If the UN wasnt so spineless and had authorized use of force to ensure compliance with  its own resolutions we wouldnt be having this discussion now. The biggest problem with the UN is it lacks any real authority to take real action. It can pass resolutions but has no way to enforce them. Which makes the UN useless imo.

[genozaur]

Originally posted by Rolex
I'll borrow Colin Powell's question to Cheney as Cheney tried to rationalize using 9-11 as an excuse to invade Iraq: "What are you, nuts?"

There was no need for the 'excuse'.
The warring nations of the USA and Iraq did not conclude the peace treaty after the 1st Gulf war. And what is the ceasefire? A temporary break in hostilities. It can be followed by the capitulation and the peace treaty, but may result in the renewal of the hostilities in the form of a war.
Saddam capitulated before the UN - this was the result of the 1st Gulf war. But he did not surrender to the USA. He was too proud to do
that (and maybe the USA also did not need that at the time). But why should this be considered as the American problem? Saddam failed in his diplomacy and this is his fault. He's just not Josef Stalin material, though he tried.

The real troublemaker here was the Great Britain, the country that mapped a single state out of its former colonial possession that forcibly united several different nationalities that had and still have their own interests. The Britain's aim was to secure the British interests in this oil region. Nobody was and not many nations are now intrested in helping the different peoples of Iraq.  

[Elfie]

Originally posted by straffo
Ok

I'm also one of those french  that don't forgot  the GI's and their contribution.

I was at Colleville yesterday , I need seriously to buy a  numeric camera to post pictures here.

Thanks Straffo