Author Topic: Randy Moss (Read 1036 times)

hyena426 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 17, 2005, 02:07:20 PM »

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Yes. Let me make it plain: He's lying.

i beleve it,,its all over the web right now,,many qoutes from dungy on it,,whats so hard to beleve about some fans mooning some players? heck i see that every time are local high school wins,,kids going threw town mooning,,hehe..but not sure on the beer part<~~thats a waste of good beer,lol

Others wondered what all the fuss was about. Speaking on Fox Sports Radio on Monday morning, Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy -- a former Vikings assistant -- offered some historical context.

"Probably no one in the country can appreciate what is behind that," Dungy said. "What happens ... when you leave the parking lot in Green Bay, that's kind of a tradition their fans have. They stand next to the fence as the buses go out and they moon the buses.

Asked Monday about Dungy's comments and whether he's seen Green Bay fans moon opposing players as they left the stadium in buses, Vikings coach Mike Tice said "Yeah, I've seen that."

"I always felt that Green Bay fans had a tremendous amount of class," Tice continued. "I didn't see that displayed particularly often [Sunday], and some of the things that I heard were unlike Green Bay fans."

http://www.startribune.com/stories/510/5178993.html

rpm · « **Reply #31 on:** January 17, 2005, 02:24:48 PM »

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Yes. Let me make it plain: He's lying.

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Read it and weep. Or better yet, apologize.
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Somebody's awfully quiet! (cough) Steve (/cough)

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #32 on:** January 17, 2005, 03:36:51 PM »

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They are properly given credit. The number you seemed to be concerned with has just as much dependance on the fact that 6 of their games were division games with 3 teams that are all in the bottom 10 of the NFL in scoring. Like I said... you must be WATCHING a different defense than me.Both let the team down. The Minesota defense did not keep the Minesota offense out of the endzone... the offense did. To dismiss it as anything other than shoddy play by the offense is simply odd.Take the game stats individually on that one. If I do recall, most of that came in one game against one of the worst defenses in the league (Greenbay). He didn't get more than 250 yards in any of the other games... less than 200 in 2 of them. 4 games with 5 TDs and 3 INTS.

Moss was missed.Hehehe... you realize that's because of the defense... not the offense? You're saying culpepper didn't hurt the team because the d happened to pick up the slop those two times, then blame the D for the rest of the game and ignore that the O wasn't able to help out at all. Gotcha. Can scramble vs has to scramble. The scramble is a symptom of a few things, mostly the front line being innefective, but also quarterback fixation on primary receivers. This is something Culpepper suffers from in the extreme.

Take someone like Joe Montana... he was as much of a pocket passer as you'll see. He excelled at spotting the open receiver even if it was his 3rd option and doing it in less than 3 seconds. Good field decisions... great quarterback.

Dunno how often you get to See Philly play out there in Oragon But here I get to see them every week.
Thats a far better defence then your giving credit for
Dunno what Defence your seeing

You dont have to explain to me the symptoms and reasons behind players reactions. While not on a professional level I've actually coached the game.
Yes there were times when the line broke down.
the line was also banged up for a good part of the season.
Other times Receivers just didnt get open.
As often as anything I've seen Culpepper with plenty of time end up having to scramble simply because nobody was open.
You can only reasonably expect a line to give you about 3 seconds of protection time. Anything beyond that is gravey.

Target fixation is hardly one of Culpeppers problems

Receiving Stats
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Nate Burleson 68 1006 14.8 68 9
Randy Moss 49 767 15.7 82 13
Jermaine Wiggins 71 705 9.9 39 4
Marcus Robinson 47 657 14.0 50 8
Onterrio Smith 36 394 10.9 63 2
Kelly Campbell 19 364 19.2 61 1
Mewelde Moore 27 238 8.8 26 0
Moe Williams 21 233 11.1 28 1
Michael Bennett 21 207 9.9 38 1

Mini D · « **Reply #33 on:** January 17, 2005, 06:12:19 PM »

LOL! You didn't just list runningbacks as proof he isn't target fixated.... did you? I mean.... half of those "team leaders" are runningbacks.

Fixated means he looks at the primary for too long. He doesn't go to the secondary nearly enough. Passing to runningbacks does not support your point. Not even remotely.

He doesn't know how to handle multiple receivers. This is not a good thing. It is a bad thing. No matter how fast he can run... er... I mean how well he can scramble.

lwp508 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 19, 2005, 12:11:55 PM »

Let me start off by saying I am not a Moss fan. However there are a few good things he does that no one else does. At all the Vikings home games he brings handicapped kids and adults to the game and had a special area set up for them at ground level .The Vikings orginization built a small fence around them so they would not be hurt. After every touchdown he scores he runs to that section and gives the ball away. On more then one home game he paid for serviceman who lost limbs in Afganistan and Iraq to be in that section , then had the whole team spend time with them. Yes he is a Butt head and classless on the field however I think what he does for the vets and handicapped makes up for it. And no I'm not a Viking fan I'm a poor Jet fan.

A_Clown · « **Reply #35 on:** January 19, 2005, 01:20:00 PM »

I just had this exact discussion with a friend yesturday. Summary was both Moss and Owens are very talented on the field of play. Both have histories of acting the fool. My friend and I both agree that football has become a much different game. There is some guy celebrating after EVERY play, no matter if it was a great play or a lack-lustre play.

Why is it you rarely see the Solo athletes like golfers, or tennis players or bowlers do some bizzare victory dance when they win soley on their own merrit? Yet the guy who catches the TD pass dances for 30-50 seconds, while he ignores the entire front line that kept his QB safe long enough for him to get open to make the damn catch.

IMO, I would like to see the NFL draft entirely new laws about celebrations, actions between plays, and things of the like. These laws should be widely publicized, pehaps making all players sign that they are in fact aware of the new laws in place. Then these laws should be strictly enforced with heavy fines and penalties. This is a sport, and it should be made to have SPORTSMANSHIP!

(edit) IMO Moss is just trying to get some exposure, why else the stupid retro-fro. If the NFL would take steps to keep him and others like him from acting this way, it would better the entire game for me and my family. His actions and the simialr actions of other players, IMO divides the team and the game.

Steve · « **Reply #36 on:** January 19, 2005, 01:30:14 PM »

Sorry rpm.. this thread isn't interesting so I don't come back to it much. Dungy is full of shiit. Piss off.

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beleve it,,its all over the web right now

Except no-one in Green Bay has ever heard of it. My family has season tickets at Lambeau(for 30 years or so now), no-one in my family has ever heard of it being some kind of tradition, never seen it. I'm going to believe my own eyes, having been there, and that of my family and friends who have been there over some opposing coach and the clowns who say it must be true because Dungy said so.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #37 on:** January 19, 2005, 01:32:05 PM »

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LOL! You didn't just list runningbacks as proof he isn't target fixated.... did you? I mean.... half of those "team leaders" are runningbacks.

Fixated means he looks at the primary for too long. He doesn't go to the secondary nearly enough. Passing to runningbacks does not support your point. Not even remotely.

He doesn't know how to handle multiple receivers. This is not a good thing. It is a bad thing. No matter how fast he can run... er... I mean how well he can scramble.

Considering those stats are for "Receptions". Yes I did include runningbacks as well as receivers.

When running backs go out for a pass they are indeed considered receivers.
In the scheme they run often the Running back IS the primary target. Sometimes its the tight end, sometimes its the wide receiver.

The wide receiver is not ALWAYS the primary target

Your obviously pretty clueless as to either How an offence is run.
Orrrr you have been playing too much football in your back yard.

you definately do not have a clue as to how that offence is run.
Not all plays are designed for the deep ball or to the wide receiver.

Mini D · « **Reply #38 on:** January 19, 2005, 05:44:52 PM »

Actually... you're acting pretty clueless here drediock... really.

I'm saying that cullpepper hits his primary receiver or he scrambles. If it's a runningback, then fine. If it's a wide receiver then fine. If it's a TE then fine.

listing different people with receptions does nothing to disprove that point. The fact that 4 runningbacks are so prominent there implies that the viks run alot of screen plays or quick slants... OR... dante doesn't know how to look downfield for more than one receiver and either hits the primary, looks immediately to a runningback, or runs.

He's the epitomy of a target fixated quarterback. You refusing to admit that does not make you look like the football genius you seem to be trying to convince me you are.

Mini D · « **Reply #39 on:** January 19, 2005, 05:49:44 PM »

P.S. You're dogging a defense for giving up 23 first downs and praising a defense that gave up 21 first downs. I guess 22 is the magic number?

Both defenses played comparable games. The main difference is that one offense was more inept than the other.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #40 on:** January 19, 2005, 08:04:53 PM »

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Actually... you're acting pretty clueless here drediock... really.

I'm saying that cullpepper hits his primary receiver or he scrambles. If it's a runningback, then fine. If it's a wide receiver then fine. If it's a TE then fine.

listing different people with receptions does nothing to disprove that point. The fact that 4 runningbacks are so prominent there implies that the viks run alot of screen plays or quick slants... OR... dante doesn't know how to look downfield for more than one receiver and either hits the primary, looks immediately to a runningback, or runs.

He's the epitomy of a target fixated quarterback. You refusing to admit that does not make you look like the football genius you seem to be trying to convince me you are.

And alot of those screens /quick slants etc etc etc were to the second/third and sometimes fourth receiver.

I was assuming you ment that the wide reciver was always the primary target..
In fact it isnt.
On the other hand as often as not. slants. and screens are the result of the primary receiver not being open.

I am refusing to admit that he is a primary target fixated QB, because in fact that statement is blatently untrue.
and is in fact absurd.

How you can even make that statment and expect it to be taken seriously when cupepper lead the league in BOTH Yards and completions is beyond me.

Nobody gets that many completions by just going to the primary receiver.

Im not claiming to be a football genius
But its obvious you arent either by your assumptions
Your insistance he is only tells me that you have watched few of his games and have no idea how that offence works

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #41 on:** January 19, 2005, 08:28:39 PM »

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P.S. You're dogging a defense for giving up 23 first downs and praising a defense that gave up 21 first downs. I guess 22 is the magic number?

Both defenses played comparable games. The main difference is that one offense was more inept than the other.

Try looking at the Defences and compairing them over the course of the season.

that stat your mentioning doesnt tell the whole story either.

the Viking defence tends to give up the plays when they matter the most.

The Eagles make the stops when they matter the most

And as far as defences to there is only 1 stat that really matters. And thats points allowed.

1st downs allowed stats can be totally misleading. Points allowed, are not.

the Eagles were ranked 4th in points allowed with an average points allowed per game at 16.5

the Vikings were ranked 26th in points allowed with 24.7

Hmm what was that score again?

Mini D · « **Reply #42 on:** January 19, 2005, 10:14:47 PM »

The vikings were in the redzone as much as philly and failed to capitalize. You claim it was good defense, I claim it to be bad offense. You insist you're right because you simply must be.

Timing is important, but it isn't defining. There is no difference in failing to stop big plays and failing to make them. Vikings offense had just as many yards as philly's. vikings were in the red zone just as many times as philly. vikings offense was too inept to capitalize. Philly's wasn't.

Teams not knowing how to finish when they're in the redzone don't get that way because they have bad defenses.

Drunky · « **Reply #43 on:** January 19, 2005, 10:55:14 PM »

Mini D and DREDIOCK sitting in a tree...

Mini D · « **Reply #44 on:** January 20, 2005, 12:18:31 AM »

PS... screenplay being a second, third or fourth option... ROTFLMAO! Let me guess... you aren't a coach anymore?