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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2005, 12:49:16 PM »
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Yep
 Those Christian wackos are sure killing tons all the time with suicide bombers.


I hate it when they bomb busses too.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army#Activities

"    * 1971: Three British soldiers are killed in a bomb attack in Belfast.
    * 1971: Catholic mother of ten, Jean McConville, is executed by the Provisional IRA for cushioning the head of a dying British soldier, although it is also claimed that she was informing the British Army of PIRA activities. The PIRA would deny any involvement in the killing until the 1990s, when it would acknowledge its action.
    * 21 July 1972: On 'Bloody Friday' 22 bombs kill 9 and seriously injure 130. 30 years later the PIRA would officially apologise for this set of attacks.
    * 4 February [1974]: A bomb planted on a coach carrying service personnel and their wives and families explodes as it is travelling along the M62 at Birkenshaw. Twelve people are killed; nine soldiers and the wife and two young sons of one of them.
    * 1974: The Guildford pub bombings kills 5 and injures 182. The motive for the bombing was apparently that the pub attacked was frequented by soldiers. Four people, dubbed the 'Guildford Four', would be convicted for the bombing and imprisoned for life. The Guildford Four would claim police tortured them into confessing and 15 years later Lord Lane of the Court of Appeal would overturn their convictions noting "the investigating officers must have lied".
    * 1974: In the Birmingham Pub Bombings bombs in two pubs kill 19. The Birmingham Six' would be tried for this and convicted. Many years later, after new evidence of police fabrication and suppression of evidence, their convictions would be quashed. Appeals by the Birmingham Six that the real IRA bombers had admitted responsibility for the bombings were ignored.
    * 1974: In December a bomb explodes on the first floor of Harrods department store in Knightsbridge. Part of the store is gutted but there are no injuries.
    * 1975: The assassination of Ross McWhirter.
    * 1975: The Balcombe Street Siege.
    * 1976: A PIRA bomb kills the newly appointed British ambassador to the Republic of Ireland, resulting in the declaration of a State of Emergency in the Republic. The PIRA also threatens to kidnap or kill Irish cabinet ministers and the President of Ireland.
    * 1979: A PIRA bomb kills Earl Mountbatten of Burma, members of his family and a local child off the Irish coast. On the same day the PIRA kill 18 British soldiers at Narrow Water, near Newry, County Down; in an attack described by the British government as "a classic guerilla attack", they first plant one bomb, which kills 6, and then begin firing with sniper rifles at soldiers sheltered near a nearby gate where a second bomb explodes, killing 12 others. During an Irish visit Pope John Paul II calls for the PIRA campaign of violence to come to an end.
    * 1981: IRA prisoner Bobby Sands, imprisoned in connection with his involvement in an attack involving a bomb and subsequent gun battle, is elected Member of Parliament for the Northern Ireland constituency of Fermanagh and South Tyrone in a by-election. The moderate nationalist Social Democratic and Labour Party decides not to run a candidate, and so split the nationalist vote, leaving Sands as the main nationalist candidate. Sands had been on a hunger strike for 'Prisoner of War' status for 41 days prior to being elected. He died 23 days later.
    * 1981: The PIRA kill Ulster Unionist Party Belfast MP Rev Robert Bradford along with the caretaker of a community centre. Irish Taoiseach Dr. Garret FitzGerald and former taoiseach Charles Haughey condemn the killings in Dáil Éireann. SDLP party leader John Hume accuses the Provisionals of waging a campaign of "sectarian genocide".
    * 10 October 1981: a bomb blast on Ebury Bridge Road in London kills 2 people and injures 39.
    * 26 October 1981: a bomb explodes at a Wimpy Bar in Oxford Street London killing the bomb disposal officer trying to defuse it.
    * 20 July 1982: In Hyde Park, a bomb kills two members of the Household Cavalry performing ceremonial duties in the park. Seven of their horses are also killed. On the same day another device kills seven bandsmen the Royal Green Jackets as it explodes underneath the bandstand in Regents Park as they played music to 120 spectators.
    * 1983: A Harrods department store bomb planted by the PIRA during Christmas shopping season kills six (three police) and wounds 90.
    * 1984: In the Brighton hotel bombing a bomb in the Grand Hotel kills five in a failed attempt to assassinate members of the British cabinet, including Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.
    * 1987: In the Enniskillen 'Massacre' the PIRA bombing of a Remembrance Day parade kills eleven civilians and injures sixty-three. Among the dead is nurse Marie Wilson, whose father, Gordon Wilson, would go on to become a leading campaigner for an end to violence in Northern Ireland. The PIRA would later claim that their target was a colour guard of British soldiers. On Remembrance Day 1997 the leader of Sinn Féin, Gerry Adams, formally apologised for the bombing.
    * 1989: Ten Royal Marine bandsmen are killed and 22 injured in the bombing of their base in Deal in Kent.
    * 1990: Car bombings in Northern Ireland kill seven and wound 37.
    * 30 July 1990 Ian Gow MP is killed when a device explodes under his car as he is leaving his home.
    * 1990: A British Army Artillery officer is killed by the PIRA in Dortmund in the then West Germany.
    * 18 February 1991: A bomb explodes at Victoria Station. One man killed and 38 people injured.
    * 1991: Mortar attack on members of the British cabinet and the Prime Minister, John Major at the height of a huge security clampdown amid the Gulf War is launched by PIRA.
    * 1991: Two PIRA members are killed in St Albans when their own bomb detonates prematurely.
    * 28 February 1992: A bomb explodes at London Bridge railway station injuring 29 people.
    * 10 April 1992: A large bomb explodes in St Mary Axe in the City of London killing three people and injuring 91. Many buildings are heavily damaged and the Baltic Exchange is completely destroyed.
    * 12 October 1992: A device explodes in the gents' toilet of the Sussex Arms public house in Covent Garden killing one person and injuring four others.
    * 1992: Eight Protestant builders are killed by a PIRA bomb on their way to work at an army base near Omagh.
    * 1993: A PIRA bomb in Warrington kills two children.
    * 1993: The PIRA detonates a huge truck bomb in the City of London at Bishopsgate, which kills two and causes around £350m of damage, including the near destruction of St Ethelburga's Bishopsgate.
    * 1993: A bomb at a fish and chip shop underneath a UDA office on the Protestant Shankill Road in Belfast detonates prematurely, killing ten, including the bomber and two children.
    * 1 September 1994: the PIRA declares the first of two cease-fires in the 1990s.
    * 10 February 1996: The PIRA ends its 1994 cease-fire, killing two civilians in a bomb adjacent to the South Quay DLR station in London's Docklands.
    * 18 February 1996: an improvised high explosive device detonates prematurely on a bus travelling along Aldwych in central London, killing Edward O'Brien, the PIRA operative transporting the device and injuring eight others.
    * 15 June 1996: The PIRA detonates a 3,300 lb (1,500 kg) bomb in Manchester, injuring 206 people and damaging seventy thousand square metres of retail and office space.
    * 7 October 1996: the PIRA kills one soldier and injures 31 people at the British Army's Northern Ireland HQ, Thiepval Barracks.
    * 19 July 1997: The PIRA declares a second cease-fire.
    * May, 2004: A gang commits a £1 million robbery at a Makro cash and carry store in south Belfast. The Independent Monitoring Commission would later blame the PIRA for the incident.
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yeah, definatly no threat from non islamics...

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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2005, 01:00:26 PM »
You can't just call somone christian because they arent muslim or they are white it just doesnt work that way.

The koran and muslim clerics call for the death of the jew and infidel.  Christ has never called for anyones death he says turn the other cheek

truth be told that ALOT of muslims are in the extremest section and thos that arent tend to sympothise with those that are.  

People that blow up abortian clinics are NOT christians

People that blow up a bus full of jews in the name of alah are reguarded as martyrs


that's the fundimental difference

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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2005, 01:04:41 PM »
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The koran and muslim clerics call for the death of the jew and infidel.


I'm a Jew come and get some.

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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2005, 01:08:30 PM »
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I'm a Jew come and get some.


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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2005, 01:23:20 PM »
The Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA) is a paramilitary group which aimed, through the use of violence, to achieve three goals: (i) British withdrawal from Northern Ireland, (ii) the political unification of Ireland through the forced overthrow and then merger of the Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland states, and (iii) the creation of an all-Ireland socialist republic.

From same source as voritcon's.  

The IRA is doing it for political reasons and not religious which is what the point of this thread is.  Their targets are politicians, police, and non-supporters of their cause, not just someone who is of a different religion.  Terrorism is terrorism but to kill in the name of God, Allah, Buddah, Vishnu,  or Jove is the height of hypocrisy.
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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2005, 01:30:40 PM »
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The IRA is doing it for political reasons and not religious which is what the point of this thread is.  Their targets are politicians, police, and non-supporters of their cause, not just someone who is of a different religion.  Terrorism is terrorism but to kill in the name of God, Allah, Buddah, Vishnu,  or Jove is the height of hypocrisy.


the islamic terrorists claim to be doing it for "political" reasons as well...the only difference is they dont have a proper seperation of church and state

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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2005, 01:35:14 PM »
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the islamic terrorists claim to be doing it for "political" reasons as well...the only difference is they dont have a proper seperation of church and state


OH BS......put the crack pipe down.  Their doctrine is based on religious hatred.  It has nothing to do with politics.  They want to destroy israel and anyone who supports it.

as far as church and state are concerned they have no "state" or they arent officially sponsered by any state.

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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2005, 04:06:17 PM »
Since some like to think Islam is just like Christianity  could anyone tell me what the christian word for Jihad is?


What part of the bible talks about holy war?

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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2005, 04:21:06 PM »
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Islam is peace.


but stupidity is an international bussines.... even in country of unlimeted possiblities

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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2005, 04:23:01 PM »
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Since some like to think Islam is just like Christianity  could anyone tell me what the christian word for Jihad is?


What part of the bible talks about holy war?


thats good point what part of koran talk about jihad ?

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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2005, 04:42:22 PM »
I fear any group who believes in "convert or die"

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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2005, 04:45:25 PM »
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thats good point what part of koran talk about jihad ?





"Jihad" (ǧihād جهاد) is an Arabic word which comes from the Arabic root word "jahada"; which means "exerting utmost effort" or "to strive." The word connotes a wide range of meanings, from an inward spiritual struggle to attain perfect faith to holy war.

During the period of Qur'anic revelation while Muhammad was in Mecca, jihad referred essentially to nonviolent and personal struggle. Following his move from Mecca to Medina in 622, and the establishment of an Islamic state, fighting in self-defense was sanctioned by the Qur'an (22:39). The Qur'an began incorporating the word qital (fighting or warfare), and two of the last verses revealed on this topic (9:5, 29) suggest, to classical scholars such as Ibn Kathir, an ongoing war of conquest against unbeliever enemies. Among followers of liberal movements within Islam, however, the context of these verses is that of a specific "war in progress" and not a universally binding set of instructions upon the faithful. These liberal Muslims have tended to promote an understanding of jihad that rejects the identification of jihad with armed struggle, choosing instead to emphasize principles of non-violence. Such Muslims cite the Qur'anic figure of Abel in support of the belief that someone who dies as a result of refusing to commit violence may attain forgiveness for sins. This is not the prevailing understanding of such matters among mainstream Muslims, however.

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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2005, 04:47:36 PM »
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Since some like to think Islam is just like Christianity  could anyone tell me what the christian word for Jihad is?


What part of the bible talks about holy war?


I dunno which part of the bible talk about holy war and I don't know if it exist but it was not a problem in the past :)

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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2005, 05:55:52 PM »
In the past?  well yeah but... those were euros..  they were allways looking for a reason for a good slaughter of humanity.

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« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2005, 07:30:18 PM »
This was in our local paper today.

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BY JULIA M. SCOTT AND AMANDA GERUT
Star-Ledger Staff
Investigators are focusing on whether the four family members found slaughtered in their home in Jersey City were stabbed to death by robbers rather than by religious fanatics, Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said yesterday.

"Robbery is one of the motives," DeFazio said, noting that no money or jewels were found in the home where police discovered the bodies of Hossam Armanious, 47, his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their two children, Monica, 8, and Sylvia, 15, on Friday
Police also found an empty wallet near the body of Armanious, whose pant pockets were turned inside out, and the pocketbook of Sylvia Armanious was empty, DeFazio said. The family also reported a robbery last year in which gold jewelry was stolen.

Relatives of the slain family said Saturday that authorities told them detectives were also exploring whether a religious argument in an Internet chat room between Hossam Armanious and an unidentified person over a perceived religious slight led to the murders.

Family friends said Armanious spent some of his spare time in chat rooms devoted to Coptic Christianity, an Egyptian religious sect to which he and his family belonged, and that about two months ago he received death threats from another person logged in to the chat site after writing comments deemed to be an insult to Islam.

DeFazio downplayed the connection yesterday, saying that it did not come from law enforcement and that there was no indication the unidentified person made good on the threats.

"Apparently the family feels they can speak without hesitation, but there's no direct evidence that there was sectarian violence," said DeFazio. "Is it plausible? Yes. Have we assumed that's the motive? No. But we're not really ruling out anything at this point."

The victims, who immigrated to the United States from Luxor, Egypt, in 1997, were found bound and gagged. An autopsy performed Saturday showed the four died of multiple stab wounds to the throat and body. A murder weapon has not been found.

Detectives believe they were killed sometime Tuesday night -- the last time anyone saw the family -- by more than one assailant based on the location of the bodies, DeFazio said. Armanious and his wife were found in a front bedroom while one of their daughters was found in the living room and the other in a back bedroom.

"We believe it's unlikely that one person could be responsible for what happened to this family," said DeFazio, although he could not explain why robbers would carry out such a gruesome act. "You can get heinous, unexplainable, unfathomable manifestations of violence. There are people out there in our society who do not act normally."

Rumors that the chat room argument was behind the murders quickly spread through the tight-knit Coptic community in Jersey City, leading many to fear religious persecution by Muslims.

Tensions between the two groups have long existed in Egypt, where Copts are a minority in the Muslim-dominated country. For the most part, though, the animosity has not followed those who came to the United States.

Monir Dowoud, president of the American Coptic Association, seized on the those fears yesterday when he claimed "Muslim terrorists" were behind the family's slaughter.

Addressing about 200 parishioners outside of St. George & St. Shenouda Coptic Orthodox Church in Jersey City, Dowoud said, "I believe it is the responsibility of the Muslim terrorist groups. It's consistent with the way that Islamic fanatics kill people."

He offered little proof, citing only what he said were the similarities between the way the family's throats were slashed and the way al Qaeda-linked militants in Iraq and elsewhere beheaded their victims. He said the attackers also killed Amal Garas and her two daughters, an act only Muslim terrorists would carry out.

"The way the victims were murdered indicates its similarity with the beheading and execution types practiced by (Abu Musab) al-Zarqawi of Iraq, Abu Sayyaf of the Philippines and the Jihad members of Egypt," according to a statement Dowoud handed out at the church.

Bishop David, who represents the Coptic community in the Northeast and celebrated the morning service, asked the parishioners to allow the police to finish the investigation and pray for the capture of the murderers.

"We cannot make any speculations," the bishop told reporters afterward. "It's the job of the police to tell us what happened."

A funeral procession for the four victims will start in Journal Square at 10 a.m. today and move to the Coptic community center at 861 Bergen Ave.

Dowoud again attempted to blame Islamic terrorists during an afternoon memorial service at a building down the street from the church, but this time the uncle of Amal Garas interrupted him.

"We don't have time for this," Milad Garas told him. "Please. Please."

The comments angered DeFazio, who said, "If people from these organizations have evidence of sectarian violence then they should call the prosecutor's office and share the basis of their comments."

Suzanne Loutfy, public relations director for the non-denominational Egyptian American Group based in Union County, said there is no place for such comments in the state's Egyptian community.

"We really need to contain this before it erupts," said Loutfy, who is Muslim. "This crime was committed against humanity as a whole. Whoever is responsible for such a heinous crime should be brought to justice and tried to the fullest extent of the law."