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Offline BaneX

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Formation destroyed :)
« on: February 04, 2000, 02:52:00 PM »
Last night while flying in Knitland beating on 18. Myself and a few others notice a large gathering of knits up near 17. Hollywd heads out to check it and finds a large formation of roughly 6 17's 2 47's and escort. Several of us head that way to break up an obvious strike on bishop territory most likely f1. Hollywd arrives first where for some odd reason ALL the escort planes chase after him leaving the bombers and 47's undefended. Stalker1 and myself arrive on the bomber formation and commence destroying it systematically. There were 1 or 2 others as well and I forget exactly who. (Sorry guys   ) Needless to say that strike was short lived. and then the cry get rid of in flight dar.

Only thing I can say to this.. If the fighter escort had not all gone after one lone fighter. Stalker and I would not have had anywhere near as easy a time destroying the rest of the formation. I would think in flight dar is good because most countries had dar of some sort.

Anyways, just thought I'd post that   Was a beautiful attack. Hope Stalker can send me the film.



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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2000, 03:56:00 PM »
Heaven!
 
 BaneX what were you flying? no film...?

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2000, 11:28:00 AM »
Hollywood was flying a N1K1, right?  

I turned toward the N1K1 and then turned away as I seen the bulk of escort go after the N1K1.  Told my wingie (RAM) we were going to cover the B26s and started the climb toward them.  RAM called out a high P51 and before ya knew it this screaming P51 comes down and wipes out the B26 leader in a flash.  Talk about feeling helpless!  

We followed the P51 for a short while got some shots off (no damage), but no joy.

Excellent flying on part of the enemy!  S!!

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Offline JoeMud

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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2000, 06:02:00 PM »
Yeah they had radar but not in there FREAKEN AIRPLANES!!!! Quaker

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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2000, 06:52:00 PM »
They didn't have radar IN the planes. But they definitely had ground radar with operators telling them where to go.

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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2000, 12:02:00 PM »
Close Escort Tactics
   by Wolverine [wlvrn], 33rd Strike Group

During a bombing mission, it is imperative to have adequate fighter cover for your bombers during the mission. It's a lot more difficult than it sounds. You just can't throw your fighters up there and expect them to be able to protect those big crates.

Why.

Well, your crates must fly in formation for mutual protection. They cannot make evasive maneuvers. The enemy need only make one pass to disable one of your bombers so that it cannot stay in formation and therefore drops away and is vulnerable.

Your escort must be able to intercept the enemy before he gets the chance to set up an attack run.

How [position].

Close escort requires that your planes be in good position BEFORE the fight begins (this applies to online gaming arenas, not history where close escort did not have the luxury of icons). Generally, positions taken up on the high 11 and 1 o'clock of the bomber formation are adequate. A trailing fighter high 6 is also advisable, though two at the 5 and 7 positions is ideal.

Perfect conditions for escort are winged pairs instead of single fighters, but as it's always tough to find those numbers, one will have to suffice.

The forward fighters should be a good distance away. Rear fighters should also be high and a bit away.

How [engagement].

Rule number one of close escort.

NEVER CHASE

Rule number two of close escort.

NEVER LEAVE THE BOMBERS

Lets take a single plane engagement. In other words, a single intercept fighter is sighted headed towards your bomber stream at a slightly lower altitude from 2 o'clock.

The fighter stationed at 1 o'clock should sluff off and stay high and dive on the enemy plane. Make a pass on it and zoom back up into position.

What you're trying to do is get the enemy fighter to go evasive and loose energy. If you get the one pass kill, great. If not, you've caused him to break off his attack on the bombers temporarily. Meanwhile, you have the energy to zoom back up and take up your position again. If he continues to press the attack (prolly from behind now due to his loosing speed), the fighter in best position should again, dive and zoom, make the fighter break his attack.

NEVER FOLLOW THE FIGHTER EVASIVE. You've won the fight if he dives away, he's taken himself out of the fight. Your staying alive is more important to the mission.

Always return to position.

When more than one fighter are attacking, you must follow the same procedures. Say we have two fighters from 3 o'clock. The fighters at 1 and 7 should sluff off to engage and drive them away, the other fighters should then take their positions at 1 and 7 and continue on. Once the interceptors have been repelled, return to formation.

This is all contingent that you have the altitude advantage. The ability to zoom out after making your dive on them is key, you must get back into formation.

Co-Altitude and Alt-disadvantaged fights are a bit trickier. Your only way to really stop the fighters is prolly when they're already on their run on the bombers.

One thing you have to remember ... they're going to go for the bombers. You have taken a position above the bombers. Therefore, if they go after the buffs, they have to go under you.

If you see high bogies, do not panic. Keep your high positions. If he dives on the bombers, have the nearest in position follow him down, then have the opposite fighter be ready to catch the interceptor on his zoom past the bombers. Once the 'opposite fighter' picks up the interceptor on it's zoom out, the first fighter that followed it down should get back into 'scort position. Your goal is (besides shooting him down) to DRIVE HIM BELOW THE BOMBERS and keep him there.

Above all, never leave those bombers.

Cover each other's spots (if the two right escort leave to engage, have one left fighter cover their spots until they return).

Never think KILL. Think DRIVE AWAY.

You position again, should be high and at the 1, 2, 5, and 7 spots on the buffs. Preferably in winged pairs.

Hope those tips help. They've come from 4 years of of playing escort in the squad. Comments welcome.

Enjoy.

[This message has been edited by Wolverine (edited 02-07-2000).]

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2000, 01:04:00 PM »
Wolverine, best description yet of escort.

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2000, 01:10:00 PM »
Why thank you =)

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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2000, 04:50:00 PM »
 
Quote
Originally posted by Wolverine:
Why thank you =)

Gee Wolvie, yer giving away our best kept secrets!  :P


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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2000, 05:31:00 PM »
Time to change that codewheel =)

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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2000, 05:35:00 PM »
Ooops, forgot ONE last thing.

If you get a situation where you have a ton of incoming intercepters and you simply must release a bunch of your escorts to cover the multiple threats, do not under any circumstances have them ALL go.

Designate a "safety" at the begining of the flight.  That person is basically flying wielded wing to those bombers (allbeit, high on them).  He is your LAST ditch, don't let him go unless you ABSOLUTLY have to do so.

Of course, if that's the case, you're ... well, lets just say he better be one hell of a pilot.