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Offline GreenCloud

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« on: January 18, 2005, 07:41:26 PM »
ok..so we dont help at all in ww2..

..well we sell weapons..

and we sell gas to both sides



but..so what...Hitler takes over...


Could he of won in Russia?..

IF he couldnt of won in russia maybe a truce?

But so he wins all western europe.......


Would he try for USA..or just be happy killing all the jews and who ever ....over there..

woops i guess in africa too..


So..what would of been our problems now?...60 years later..


Hitler with Nukes?..hmm maybe we wouldnt be alive...








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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2005, 07:47:54 PM »
We're still alive and we also had Stalin & co. with nukes.

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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2005, 07:52:09 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2005, 08:15:24 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2005, 08:25:09 PM »
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We're still alive and we also had Stalin & co. with nukes.


Yeah, I wonder what would have happened if he had them before anyone else?

Hitler with nukes would have been a disaster.

The world is pretty lucky that the US was more advanced than the other nations and was able to produce the first atomic bombs.

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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2005, 08:30:17 PM »
1943: The Japanese, having taken various islands in the pacific from the US followed by a series of skirmishes across the pacific, negotiate to end hostilities in the ever unpopular war with the US.  Having decided against attacking Pearl Harbor, the japanese are spared the massive outcry in the USA and avoid sparking the massive mobilization many (like Yamamoto) believe would be inevitable.

By 1946, neither the soviets nor germans see any profit in continuing and new borders are drawn up with Stalin ceding Poland and Hitler generously restoring former Soviet border under a new non-aggression pact.

The British defeat in North Africa coupled with the inabillity to establish a beachead in Calais during the disastrous Operation Invincible in early 45 results in an uprising in england that pushes the Churchill government out of office.  Communist sympathisers gain a narrow lead and England withdraws from the fighting.  Germany now controls western europe.  Mussolini declares allegiance to the Reich and becomes a senior nation-state in the new German empire.  French partisans continue to strike at the Nazis whenever they can, but without supplies and under intense scrutiny, that movement fails.

1947, President Dewey, Stalin and Reichschancellor Himmler meet at a summit in Reyhkavik and sign peace agreements.  Hitler has retired in victory to Austria and sits back to let his trusted Himmler take the reins and deal with the lengthy process of integrating the captures into Germany.

In 1949, an accident on a research campus in Germany results in widespread sickness of mysterious origin.  Many die, and thousands lose all their hair before succumbing to the strange ailment.  Some scientists note that the affected area seemed to be bathed in a similar effect as found in Radium accidents, but nobody can tell how this would affect so many people.  German authorities denounce the sickness as coming from 'mongrel slavs' who inhabit neighboring Poland and begin expanding their efforts at 'relocating' the slavs somewhere else where they cannot injure citizens of the Reich.

By 1950, communist sympathies in other asian countries begin to mount as word of Japanese attrocities in Manchuria begin to filter out to surrounding countries.  Before the end of the year, the Soviet Union has declared war on the Japanese empire.  

Over the next year, the russian bull pushes the imperial army back to the shores of China, then back across to the islands.  

Rumors begin spreading about mysterious lights in the skies above North Africa, but are disregarded as folk tales.  German industrial products begins picking up and many suspect that the Reich is working to begin an expansion across the hot continent.

The next 5 years are filled with lengthy fights in the jungles as the Soviets work to take the islands, but the hot weather and strange tactics of lone japanese soldiers prevent them from winning with their historically succesful swarm engagements.  The world is shocked on October 2nd, 1952 when radios around the world become staticky, then the strains of patriotic german music pour out for a few minutes.  News reporters check the timing and realize that the disturbance traveled around the world, and as they prepare to announce their findings, Reichschancellor Himmler announces that Germany has launched the first artificial moon.

As the Soviet/Japanese conflict rages, the rest of the world forgets about the satellite (which re-enters a month later) and confines talk about the feat to the realm of 'interesting, but not immediately relevant'.  People who draw attention to the fact that the Germans can place a bomb anywhere in the world are laughed at, because after all, who would bother to spend millions of reichsmarks to place a few hundred pounds of explosive somewhere near some place interesting?

By 1955, the Soviet war approaches the home islands of Japan.  It has been a costly fight, and both sides are weary.  A titanic explosion is witnessed in the water near Peenemunde, a new research facility in Germany, and the next day it is announced that the Reich has created a new type of bomb, known as a 'Heisenberg Device' after the dead scientist who perished bravely during the polish disease epidemic after developing a completely new type of science.  The new bomb can destroy entire cities.  The world suddenly remembers the Von Braun rockets of Africa and takes an immediate interest in events.

In the face of this new threat, First Party Secretary Zhukov declares the fight against Japan as 'complete' and withdraws the fighting forces to reinforce the european borders.  Japan, having stared into the mouth of the Soviet machine, declares that it no longer has interest in the resource poor lands it fought with Russia over.  The manchurian atoll becomes a government free area that nobody wants to deal with and is stricken with poverty and lawlessness.

A 'Winterkampf' (literally, 'winter fight' in german) begins to shape between the Reich and the Soviet Union.  Neither side is in conflict, but both see each other as an immediate threat and plan accordingly.  

By 1960, England is completely socialist.  Soviet money and technology stiffens the communist resolve until the monarchy is formally deposed.  In a ceremony televised around the world via the Reichssatellit system of orbiting transmitters, Queen Elizabeth steps down and formally releases any further claim of the throne over the Community Of England.  The country quickly adopts many laws and policies from USSR intact and becomes a member of the USSR shortly therafter.

The United States, a strong ally of the Reich, has specialized in producing agricultural products for export.  With industrialization limited to automotive and some electronics, the country is taken under the wing of their ultra conservative Canadian neighbor.  

Canada has broken ties with England and begun developing an industrial base as their parent country switched to communism.  As the only place for many British intellectuals to leave to as they found their world collapsing around them, it boasts an impressive powerhouse of industrial might by the mid 1960s.  

Ok, gotta go make dinner.  Started out with a smartass answer to the original post, then suddenly, BAM, I've lost something like a half hour.  Maybe THIS is what happens to UFO abductees.
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2005, 09:25:44 PM »
Good read Chairboy.

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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2005, 10:02:09 PM »
Dang, hes got an imagination.  Im too stoopid to think of anything like that. :)

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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2005, 10:13:57 PM »
Wow, Chairboy, got the makings of a great book. Couldn't stop reading and wanted more. Got blindsided by your dinner bell.
Protect the rights to the story and sell it to Hollywood, bet it would make a hell of a movie..
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2005, 10:37:14 PM »
Very interesting Chairboy, even if it was just a joke:) Can I hear the rest before bed tomorrow? Huh? Can I???:D
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2005, 11:01:43 PM »
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Yeah, I wonder what would have happened if he had them before anyone else?

Hitler with nukes would have been a disaster.

The world is pretty lucky that the US was more advanced than the other nations and was able to produce the first atomic bombs.


Hitler might not have used nukes if he had been able to make them. He had Sarin gas iirc and didnt use that.

Alot of scientists in the manhatten project were Germans. The world is lucky they managed to make it out of Germany or Hitler just might have gotten The Bomb.
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2005, 11:25:34 PM »
Alright, here's how you can break it up from involvement of America in WW2.


1.) NO involvement at all.

We sell nothing to anybody, no lend lease, no rifles, parts ammunition go to britain or Russia.  It was because of all the things we gave / sold to britain and russia, they were finally able to turn the tide of the war in 1942/43.

So if we had done nothing, the war would have been over by 43 at the latest, and europe would be speaking German (except for spain and italy).

2.) Only selling equipment / parts and doing Lend Lease Programs.

What we did over there took a major strain off of the russians in their fighting.  So had we not done this and only sold / given them stuff, the war would have gone on many more years, but Russia would have finally won.  It would have been at the cost of many millions more lives then had died in what we had.

3.) Selling equipment and joining the war.

Well, you obviously know how this turned out.
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2005, 12:47:35 AM »
Well, if the U.S. hadn't "joined" WWII, there'd have been a lot of pissed off Americans, at the very least. What with the attack on Pearl Harbour and Hitler's declaration of war on the U.S. and all.
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2005, 12:51:47 AM »
So I got lost and forgot to mention that the Reich launches the first human into space in 1955.  By 1960, the entire Reichsatelitt network is in place and each one of the house sized stations is manned by 3-5 Raumpilot (literally 'Space pilot').  Germany has been establishing itself as a world superpower, and this only quickens with the rollout of the powerful transmitters.  

Over the next few years, German produced television programming is beamed out across the world as and a cultural osmosis begins to take place.  Hollywood slowly fades in relevance and the real action is soon taking place in Hamburg.  

By 1965, tensions between Canada and the USSR are rising again.  Canada's purchase of the Alaskan wastelands in the 1950s have put them right next to the Soviet juggernaut, and the discovery of oil deposits makes matters worse.  The Royal Canadian Marines forward deploy along the Bering strait while the Canadian army fortifies polar approaches.

Meanwhile, Japan launches the world's first 'Supercarrier'.  At over 350 meters long, the Yamamoto nuclear carrier deploys on a tour around the world.  The Mitsubishi Samurai II carrier deployed fighter receives wide attention and is classed with the Canadian Avro Falcon and the Reich's vicious Messerschmitt Me-626.

1965 also marks the first test detonation of a large scale non-chemical explosive in the USSR.  The soviet version, more accurately described as a 'Sakharov Device', uses a type of Heisenberg device as a detonator and the resulting fusion explosion is bigger by a factor of two from what the Germans have produced.  Because of the extensive espionage efforts, the Russians are able to skip the original atomic bomb and develop straight into a hydrogen bomb.  The sudden loss of their nuclear monopoly shocks the german government into authorizing a crash study to improve their atomic ordnance.  Soon, the two countries are actively trying to outdevelop each other.

As 1966 comes around, the world is spinning in more ways then one.  The soviet presence on the other side of the Bering strait has the Canadian people worried.  Germany, while cool to Canada, is a strong ally of Canada's biggest trading partner, the USA.  An uneasy alliance exists between the two superpowers because of the US's calming influence.  On the other hand, the Reich is loathe to do anything that might unleash the soviet Bear on its eastern border.  As tensions rise, people on both sides grow more anxious.  The german produced movies and television shows begin working to sway global opinion against the USSR.

In February, a truck filled with explosives is detonated in Red Square, killing hundreds.  The Red Army goes to full alert and mobilizes as they try desperately to figure out where the attack has come from.  A Canadian Falcon and an Ilyushin Beagle II, each patrolling over the Bering Strait, both end up firing on each other.  Nobody knows who fired first, but both Canadian and Soviet navies gather in the Arctic and begin jockeying for position.  After a few days, a Chinese group claims credit for the bombing, and worldwide attention shifts back to the chaotic Manchuria area.  Both Canada and the Reich condemn the attacks and tensions ease.  

The Reich announces that it will deploy a mission to the moon by the end of the 1960s.  The Falkenest space station is where the mission is built, and on July 16, 1969, the three ships leave earth orbit for the moon.  They land four days later.  The event is carried live on the Reichsnetwork and the whole world congratulates them on their achievement.

1970 comes with the world mostly intact.  The MGB (or 'Manchurian Gerechtigkeit Bewegung' as the manchurian justice movement is nicknamed by the Bundesmedia) begins launching other attacks against the nations it holds responsible for the chaotic situation in China.  In the years since the Soviet/Japanese war, millions have died and the lands are filled with refugees.  Anger at both the USSR and the Japanese Empire fuel a generation of terrorists who strike anywhere they can.  People begin dying in both countries.  

Two years later, the german presence on the moon has grown to a base of over 100 Raumpilot.  The newly formed Raumwaffe works to build this base as well as others in both low and geosynchronous earth orbit.  The Soviets launch their first man into space, but he dies on reentry.  Two weeks later, they succesfully launch and recover another Cosmonaut and the race is on.

In 1973, the Yamamoto carrier is attacked in port by MGB.  The boats that ram it kill 50 and knock out the drive shafts, disabling it for 6 months during repair.  In retalliation, three japanese destroyers launch cruise missiles into a refugee city on the Amur river.  Hundreds are killed in the firestorm that rages through the shantytowns, and the world is outraged.  For the first time, the whole world can see the carnage via the magic of the Bundesmedia's satellite television.

The USSR, Reich, Canada, Brazil, and even the USA issue formal condemnations, but the empire of Japan brushes them aside.  Tensions rise again, and fighting breaks out in Korea and Vietnam as Japanese assisted troops fight the communist governments in place.

By 1975, a Soviet station is in earth orbit.  Primitive by german standards, it houses 20 Cosmonauts.  By 1976, it has grown to house over 100.  Weekly close passes by Raumwaffe 'utility' ships raise fears of conflict, but nothing happens.

The Winterkampf holds steady, now with three major players.  Canada, the USSR, and Der Reich watch each other closely.  The canadian 'Project Toronto' demonstrates an atomic explosive in upper saskatchewan, and all three now hold the buttons to weapons of a scale never seen before in combat.

By 1980, the Soviets have many stations in orbit.  A crisis breaks out as the Germans are able to secure proof that two of the polar stations are equipped with nuclear warheads, and the two nations go toe to toe.  After a week filled with extreme world tension and forces at maximum alert status, the two super powers are able to negotiate a standdown.  In exchange for removing its warheads from orbit, the Reich promises to demilitarize its moon station and agrees to a 100 kilometer 'sovereign territory' boundary around all major stations.  This stops the aggressive close flybys.
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2005, 01:40:01 AM »
Also, if the US wasn't in WW2, then no Jug & no Hog in AH!