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« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2005, 09:10:07 AM »
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The Royal Canadian Marines?

Sure!  There's a canadian navy, and a canadian army.  Our world doesn't have any RCM because Marines are a projecting force and Canada doesn't project power.  But if it were a superpower because it was forced into that role, it'd be logical that the RCM would come into existance.
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« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2005, 09:48:48 AM »
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« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2005, 09:50:06 AM »
The 'what if' game scenario has been done for the WWI : Iron storm. It's an FPS  placed in 1960, WWI has never finished, technology and geopolitics have evolved differently that we now today.

A nice game, not that great but with good atmosphere.

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« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2005, 10:13:10 AM »
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The USSR possibly saved the west. Hitler realized that the USSR was going to attack, and did the only smart thing by preempting with an offensive of his own.

If Germany did not have an eastern front she would've been strong enough to invade Britain. And in doing so would've came into possesion of much invaluable research and researchers which would've allowed Germany to produce nuclear weapons before the USA.

Of course had there not been the Polish airforce, Germany would've most likely won the battle of britain. And then even an eastern front wouldn't have mattered.
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When Germany started bombing London in retaliation for the RAF bombing of Berlin, they lost the foothold of Operation Sealion.  Ha they continued for a little longer on the RAF fighters, they "might" have done it.  

Now, the Polish Airforce in the RAF saved the piss out of Britain.  How are they repaid?  They are not invited to the Victory Parade in London in 1946.

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« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2005, 10:15:00 AM »
Nice work, Chairboy.

If I can add my contribution, Italy would not unite with 3rd Reich empire, the relation between the 2 dictators were good and on parity.

I'll see it more like this:

"After the humiliating defeat of the paper made Italian Army in Greece and North Afrika, and the saving help of Hitler's armies, Mussolini finally decided to get rid of the industrial families and the corrupted HQ, nationalized the military industries, and revised the chain of command putting capable people in the right place, building a credible army for his colonial dream.

The geman divisions reentered in Germany's area of interest, and the newly founded Italian Army restarted the conquer of Afrika, taking advantage of the non existant others colonial powers.

After 50 years of colonial wars, in wich local rebels were secretely armed and trained by the Canadians, the Mediterranean was entirely in Italians hands, like a great part of central Afrika.

In South Afrika, A puppet state of South Afrika, under the control of Canada, mantained a fierce resistence and the availability of the resources of the southern tip of the continent by the Canadian Superpower."

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« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2005, 11:21:45 AM »
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Look closer at American exports to USSR during WWII. No rifles ;) crappy tanks and planes that Americans couldn't fly. As for most important things, like trucks, oil refineries and telephone wire - i think USSR could by it for cash even without lend-lease. BTW lend lease prices for USSR were three times higher then for UK.

USSR could win without any foreign "aid", it only could take one more year and definetly more lives :(


BS CALLL!!!

Lend lease was free.  We didn't charge for the stuff, but did expect it to be returned after the war.  As it was, we mostly abandoned it in place.

Prior to lend-lease, the Soviet Union was not at war.  Lend-lease was put in place in 1940.  If the Soviets bought anything prior to the 1941 invasion, they paid for it.



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« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2005, 11:30:04 AM »
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Lend lease was free.  
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You better start listen, Boroda. The word "lend" have changed its meaning and so has the word "lease".

So next time you "lend" something from your neighbour, keep it, its actully a gift.
And when your car-dealer talks about a "lease" , He is actully giving the car to you, without pay!
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« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2005, 11:31:34 AM »
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You better start liste, Boroda. The word "lend" have changed its meaning and so has the word "lease".

So next time you "lend" something from your neighbour, keep it, its actully a gift.
And when your car-dealer talks about a "lease" , He is actully giving the car to you, without pay!


Interesting use of selective quotation.

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« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2005, 11:37:04 AM »
I understand what lend-lease was.

The problem is that the amount of lend-lease "aid" to UK was 3 times bigger then to USSR, final prices for USSR were much higher, and most of UK debt was remitted. That's why we still pay lend-lease debt.

Anyone who says that "USSR couldn't win without American aid" is mistaken.

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« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2005, 11:43:10 AM »
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You better start listen, Boroda. The word "lend" have changed its meaning and so has the word "lease".

So next time you "lend" something from your neighbour, keep it, its actully a gift.
And when your car-dealer talks about a "lease" , He is actully giving the car to you, without pay!


Well, I did a bit of research.  Turns out that the Soviet Union received more than $11 billion (in 1945 dollars) in lend lease aid, but did not pay back any money until 1972.  They then made an agreement to pay back $722 million (in 1972 dollars) in installments up to 1991.

So yes, you were expected to pay it back or return the goods.  But no, you didn't pay back what you owed.  My bad.  You paid over 7% of the total value of the goods received.

Britain received more that $30 billion in lend lease aid, by the way.

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« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2005, 12:06:42 PM »
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Well, I did a bit of research.  Turns out that the Soviet Union received more than $11 billion (in 1945 dollars) in lend lease aid, but did not pay back any money until 1972.  They then made an agreement to pay back $722 million (in 1972 dollars) in installments up to 1991.


$722M was what was left unpaid for 1972 IIRC. There were lots of negotiations about this debt, mostly because the prices for USSR were maybe 2 or 3 times bigger then for the same goods shipped to UK.

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So yes, you were expected to pay it back or return the goods.  But no, you didn't pay back what you owed.  My bad.  You paid over 7% of the total value of the goods received.

Britain received more that $30 billion in lend lease aid, by the way.


And how much of that $30 billion UK actually paid?

Don't you understand that lend-lease meant that we didn't have to pay for the equipment lost in combat or returned after hostilities ceased?

For Soviet people it was a spit in the face when we had to return equipment completely working, with all spare parts and stuff, and Americans scrapped it right in Soviet ports before loading it on the ships...

I still have my Grandfather's pliers from lend-leased Willie's Jeep. I guess the car was lost in a war, otherwise this pliers were required when it was given back to Americans...

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« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2005, 03:41:56 PM »
Hey now, hey now...

Guys, do you mind if we shelve this lend/lease conversation and get back to talking about how great I am?

Thanks!
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« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2005, 05:56:44 PM »
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Hey now, hey now...

Guys, do you mind if we shelve this lend/lease conversation and get back to talking about how great I am?

Thanks!


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« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2005, 10:56:55 PM »
I loved the story chairboy.  Breat beleivable fiction.

I think the UK is as much capable (in the story) of becoming a socialist/communist state as canada is at becoming a superpower.  All it takes is a shift in the mob.....the mob IS rome....ect.