Author Topic: Is flying backwards cheating?? (Read 986 times)

mechanic · « **on:** January 19, 2005, 07:31:59 AM »

this is probably the most gamey thing i have come up with, but imagine perfecting this and actually being able to hit people. it is a 'move' (lose term) designed to clear a guy off your six. within 1 1/2 seconds turning 180 degrees and shooting him

would be a step up from WT's reversal move, and would put levi in his place cos even on your six he isnt safe

http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/files/new_trix.ahf

the first one is sloppy,none are perfect. the internal view one is the best, or maybe the last one.

If it was pulled off it would be incredible and hugely amusing.

better still, imagine the whines!! wow.

watch it (only a tiny .ahf file, seconds to d/l) and tell me how stupid i am.

S!

Bat

edit: oh, but dont try it with less than 500ft under you

dedalos · « **Reply #1 on:** January 19, 2005, 10:10:42 AM »

Can we have a movie file? Don;t have AH at work

SFCHONDO · « **Reply #2 on:** January 19, 2005, 10:15:42 AM »

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Originally posted by dedalos
Can we have a movie file? Don;t have AH at work

And your boss probably wishes you were working instead of reading the AH BBS...LOL....So get your arse back to work.

Urchin · « **Reply #3 on:** January 19, 2005, 10:42:42 AM »

I've didn't watch the film, but a while back someone showed me this "tailslide" thing.. you could literally swing the tail around and shoot someone right behind you as you stalled. This is horizontally, not vertically.

I've since forgotten exactly how it was done, it was pretty neat though. Worked really well in the A6M's.

dedalos · « **Reply #4 on:** January 19, 2005, 10:51:48 AM »

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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
And your boss probably wishes you were working instead of reading the AH BBS...LOL....So get your arse back to work.

Shhhhhh, don't tell any one, but, I am the boss

Vudak · « **Reply #5 on:** January 19, 2005, 12:09:12 PM »

That move could be a nasty suprise... Also looks like a good way to have someone overshoot.

Estes · « **Reply #6 on:** January 19, 2005, 12:45:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
I've didn't watch the film, but a while back someone showed me this "tailslide" thing.. you could literally swing the tail around and shoot someone right behind you as you stalled. This is horizontally, not vertically.

I've since forgotten exactly how it was done, it was pretty neat though. Worked really well in the A6M's.

yep, that was me. Start a shallow turn left or right.. Then abruptly apply rudder in the direction you are turning, and aileron in the opposite direction.

It will stall you in mid-air and make you turn around in a circle. Once you get the hang of it, you can sometimes take a shot or two as they pass you.

Waffle · « **Reply #7 on:** January 19, 2005, 01:04:58 PM »

man - I though this was going to be the film of the planes you're chasing doing 300 holding steady distance at 1k - then their icon range starts going d800....d600...d400.....till you end up in a HO merge with a plane that you've been chasing that never turned...

oh well - cool trick

mechanic · « **Reply #8 on:** January 19, 2005, 01:20:09 PM »

i have no idea what you mean waffle, but im curious to find out....any chance you find that film post it

try this one out for yourself anyone.

SpitV, 50% fuel.

fly level at 220mph, a very slight climb, then hard right rudder, hard left aileron and hard back on the stick all together and very sharp.

as you spin past 100 degrees, hit full left rudder whilst keeping the ailerons the same and putting elevs in neutral possition. this should bring your nose round to 180degrees behind you. then spray and pray

after this, commence standard spin recovery. if you are good you can return to level flight losing very little E or altitude. (very gamey, sure its not possible in RL)

if you get it right the total time from level flight-180 turn-level flight can be as little as 3-4 seconds.

WldThing · « **Reply #9 on:** January 19, 2005, 03:01:35 PM »

I think me and Estes, or Urchin.. We were trying to perfect this move a few times in the DA, i even gave it a name at the time

.. This was back in AH1, and the move itself could be used as an advantage, except it would slow you down immensely, but in the advantage aspect, it can help and it CAN work if done right..

Zazen13 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 19, 2005, 04:46:53 PM »

ManeTMP is the master of this move, he has gotten a snapshot on me several times doing this. It's really gamey, this is an exploit of an imperfect flight model, there is virtually no E-loss doing this, which is rediculous.

Zazen

hitech · « **Reply #11 on:** January 19, 2005, 05:08:48 PM »

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there is virtually no E-loss doing this, which is rediculous.

Watch his speed drop in that film. What you are seening is in essence a lambshavoc.

HiTech

Guppy35 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 19, 2005, 05:21:37 PM »

First time he kicked it over he was going forward at roughly 220 and then he's looking the other way.

Gotta believe the strain on the pilot would be incredible if it was possible at all.

Seemed a bit wierd.

Dan/Slack

Zazen13 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 19, 2005, 05:31:01 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
Watch his speed drop in that film. What you are seening is in essence a lambshavoc.

HiTech

Yea, I see the speed drop, but notice next to know altitude is lost and the speed drop is small and only as a result of the full rudder/aileron kick. The 360 degree stall spin itself doesn't seem to effect his speed or altitude to any significant degree...I'll try to film ManeTMP when he does it, he does it better than this guy, there's virtually no E-loss the way he does it. It looks alot like the stick-stir floppy-fish (tm) warp when done really well, except the guy always ends up on your 6 with his E intact firing away.

Urchin · « **Reply #14 on:** January 19, 2005, 05:53:36 PM »

It is kind of hard to describe what our "old" move looked like... it was almost like the guy stopped in midair and rotated.

I'll watch this film, my curiosity is piqued, especially from Zazen's whining about it.