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Offline DREDIOCK

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« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2005, 01:10:42 PM »
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This will take a terror attack top change because both the dems and reps look at these ilegals as future voters and dont want to touch it. It will take the deaths of Americans to get them off the dime.


Seems to me we had one of those.

Situation still hasnt changed all that much.

Cept they made it a little tougher to come here legally.
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« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2005, 01:11:43 PM »
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Ok I'll buy into that.

only problem is there are plenty of legals who are here to, and are, milking the welfare system for all its worth.

I think any legal alien should be able to receive 1 year max of welfare benifits while they seek gainful employment.

After that if you have no such employment
A- your on your own swim or drown
B- you get shipped back to wherever you came from

My prefrence would be "B"


You can buy into it, but it isn't true.

Illegals have put hospitals out of business.  

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Do a simple google search for hospitals shut down due to illegal immigrants.  They should be branded and sent packing.  The second violation gets them a bullet.  They are a drain on our economy.

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« Reply #47 on: January 22, 2005, 01:34:57 PM »
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When I'm President my first order of business will be a national ID card and machine gun posts on the border.


We already have a national ID card.

Its called a social security card.

I'm all for machine guns, so long as we are willing to use them.
I'm also for land mines, and other assorted booby traps. Some spike lined tiger pits wouldnt hurt either.

What we should have done is invade Mexico back in the 1800's during our expansion west.
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« Reply #48 on: January 22, 2005, 01:37:31 PM »
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What do we do with illegals we catch entering or inside the States?


Death penalty.



Armed borders w/ shoot to kill orders.  Make this a very public policy.  Th would be crossers must be well aware of the consequences they face.


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But who will do all the dirty low paid jobs no one else wants? It's the same in this country. Lots of illegals and legal foreigners doing the dirty low paid jobs we don't want to do.


A convenient but false argument.  It's simple: the wages for these jobs would increase, attracting American labor, specifically young adults... teens.  Some prices would go up as a result, sure.  But the millions of dollars the illegals ship out of the country each year would stop; the American laborors would spend their earnings right here in America.  This, coupled with the billions of dollars saved by preventing illegal immigrations, would  MORE than offset any price increase.


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Illegal aliens should not have access to any governmental services or benifits, except emergency (life threatening) health care.


Umm this is pretty much in effect now, friends.  How do the illegals get around this?  They go to the emergency room for every ailment, from hangnails to chest colds.


Finally:  You mustmake the penalty for hiring illegals so steep that employers no longer see having illegals on the payroll as beneficial.
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« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2005, 01:42:57 PM »
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 But the millions of dollars the illegals ship out of the country each year would stop;


Actually, that number is in the billions.

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« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2005, 01:50:50 PM »
My apologies, Marlet.
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« Reply #51 on: January 22, 2005, 01:54:45 PM »
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My apologies, Marlet.


No apology necessary.  My intent wasn't to criticize, but to correct.  The last figures I saw estimated 15 billion sent to Mexico alone.

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« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2005, 04:54:12 PM »
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Death penalty.



Armed borders w/ shoot to kill orders.  Make this a very public policy.  Th would be crossers must be well aware of the consequences they face.


 


You gonna shoot the kids the parents drag across the border with them?

I think the answer to the problem is round em up as they come across, train em to be soldiers, then stick em in Iraq.

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« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2005, 05:01:20 PM »
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You gonna shoot the kids the parents drag across the border with them?

I think the answer to the problem is round em up as they come across, train em to be soldiers, then stick em in Iraq.


Nah, if you shoot the parents then the kids stop moving.  Then you just chuck them back over the fence.

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« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2005, 05:58:21 PM »
Social Security is in trouble because there are not going to be enough working folks to pay for the baby boomers when they retire. What effect do you think 10-20 million workers under 30, if they were legally here and paying into Social Security, would have on our ability to pay for the boomers retirement?

We need younger immigrants to lower the average age of our population, and help make our economy work. They must be here legally however, and thats the rub. How do you do it so that our security is mainained, yet its not so difficult a process that they would rather risk comming illegally?

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« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2005, 06:02:11 PM »
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Nah, if you shoot the parents then the kids stop moving.  Then you just chuck them back over the fence.


lol

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« Reply #56 on: January 22, 2005, 06:30:46 PM »
Ah yes, the isolationist immigration debate.  Machine guns, now that's practicality.

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« Reply #57 on: January 22, 2005, 07:13:58 PM »
The immigration system is a mess. The problem is that if you want to go to America to work. You are simply refused unless you have some skill in short supply or a relative sponsors you or you  are a refugee of some sort. As a result America is full of people who barely speak English and don't want to and who often come from countries which are often actively hostile to US interests.

The alternative is to apply for a lottery Visa. 50,000 are issued each year in a big draw. You can only apply if you come from a country that has less than 50,000 immigrants in the last year.

It's interesting to note that certain countries are excluded because more the 50,000 emigrants came from these countries. :

 
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CANADA, CHINA (mainland-born), COLOMBIA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, EL SALVADOR, HAITI, INDIA, JAMAICA, MEXICO, PAKISTAN, PHILIPPINES, RUSSIA, SOUTH KOREA, UNITED KINGDOM (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and VIETNAM.
 From the State department website.  It interesting to the UK in there. All the others except Canada are basically third world countries. How come so many Brits manage to enter the US?

If you don't win a prize visa the only way in to be illegal.  That applies to most Europeans, who in the past made up a lot of immigrants.  The result is a total distortion of legal immigration. Being illegal is no picnic either. There was a story before Christmas where some Irish guys overstayed their tourist visa. They were arrested, chained and locked up for weeks. They were only released and deported after intervention by the Irish goverment.  Meanwhile the southern border is wide open and I doubt if many Mexicans are treated like that.
There are several instances of people been deported without appeal or arrested for trivial stuff at airports. One British guy had failed to pay a speeding fine on his last vist. Next time he arrived he was immediately arrested taken donwtown and locked up. When he paid the fine he was deported immediately.  Another Brit, a woman was accused of overstaying by one week on her last visit. She was put in leg irons, held in detention and deported. Meanwhile of course the Mexican border is only protected by a cattle fence.  

There was a report on British TV the other night. The reporter talked to South American illegals who told them all they had to do was go to a forger in Texas who supplied them with false Social Security cards and Green cards. Easy.  You have to wonder where the INS or the Police or Homeland security are in alll this.

It's nuts.  The whole system.

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« Reply #58 on: January 23, 2005, 01:12:40 AM »
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You gonna shoot the kids the parents drag across the border with them?



Gimme a break, I was being dramatic.  But yes, I think  we should spend heavily on closing the borders, utterly.  I'm fairly sure we could afford to do this with just the money it costs to allow theses same people to live in our country while reducing the odds that terrorists could enter.
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« Reply #59 on: January 23, 2005, 11:15:25 AM »
1. Deny the incentives:

All incentives have to be denied and that means the employers must be shot. No getting around it. Line them up and shoot them in public executions held every Saturday in stadiums around the country. They are paraded around the stadium, then shot in the back of the head as the crowd counts down a 30 second clock.

You could charge admission, sell beer and hotdogs at ridiculous prices, book a couple of bands for additional entertainment to make it a fun Saturday afternoon outing for the family.

Only downfall is that the housing industry would collapse faster than a guy with a bullet in the back of his head. No drywall would get hung in the entire country after 2 weeks.

Hmmm. Let me think a little more about it.

2. Deter entry:

Ahhh, this is easy. Set up airport securty checkpoints along the Mexican border - at 10 foot intervals. We have enough people working in airport security around the country now to do it.

Make all people entering the country go through the same joy an 84 year-old, half-blind, arthritic grandmother has to go through to get on a plane to visit her grandchildren one last time before she dies -- until she gets detained and sent to Gitmo for being on the 'no-fly' list.

Crossing the Rio Grande at night was easy... the potential illegal aliens will be so frustrated and angry after waiting in line for hours, then being snarled at by some fat, stupid, over-bearing, bossy, retarded, pompous, arrogant loser in a white shirt carrying a wand... they'll never try to come back again.