What to do about illegal imigration in US?

[Sabre]

To my mind, this is the number one threat to US security against terrorism, and continues to create an ever-expanding burden on our social systems in this country.  Israel reports a dramatic decrease in terrorist attacks in that country since completing their walls around Palestinian areas.  Is that the way we should go?  Do we use the national guard to police the borders?  What do we do with illegals we catch entering or inside the States?  What should we do to employers that hire them?  Are work permits for those found to be here illegally the answer, or in invitation to greater illegal imigration?

My thoughts are that some combination is required; a solution that is both preventative (slowing illegal imigration, and making legal but temporary imigration process more efficient, but tied to job availability), and punitive (heavy fines and possible jail time for employers, drastically limiting social services for those here illegally, some type of punishment for multiple illegal border crashers).  What are your thoughts?

[DREDIOCK]

Make it easier to come in legally and togher to get in illegally.

By tougher I mean Troops along the borders with orders of shoot to kill. laying land mines woudnt hurt either

Anyone sneaking in is not a fiend anyway

[cpxxx]

But who will do all the dirty low paid jobs no one else wants?  It's the same in this country. Lots of illegals and legal foreigners doing the dirty low paid jobs we don't want to do.

The best and only solution is for the countries these people come from to get rich enough to provide jobs for ambitious people of the kind who emigrate to better themselves.

[Furious]

Illegal aliens should not have access to any governmental services or benifits, except emergency (life threatening) health care.

Any illegal alien found gainfully employed in the US should be eligible for a green card, but not welfare type benifits.

...heck, I might go so far as to say an illegal with a job gets to stay and a chronic welfare recipient gets shipped out.  A one-for-one swap.

[A_Clown]

I heard some comedian on TV last night as I was dozing off and my wife was still watching. This guy said we should hire Advertising reps to "Sell America" in an attempt to raise the world view of the U.S.

One of the things he opened with was "America, 380 thousand Illigal immegrants can't be wrong!" Then he added, why is it that you never see tiny fishing vessels loaded up with Americans trying to escape the country?


First of all I want to say I welcome to my country, any person who wishes to come here, work, pay their taxes like we all have to, and become POSITIVE members of society. This country was formed from and has thrived because of its great diversity.

I agree with furious, I would gladly trade 1for1 terminal welfare cases for ambitious foreigners.

[GtoRA2]

Cpxxx
 First off, they are not JUST taking the low paying "dirty" jobs.


 Try getting a job in any of the trades.


 Second, thats why we need to reform the imagration system to make it easier for people who want to work to come in.

SO that when they do come they get taxed and are part of the system. This was we could do background checks on them.


I say stream line the system and make it so people can get in to do those jobs, and close the border and kick anyone cought here ilegaly out.


This will take a terror attack top change because both the dems and reps look at these ilegals as future voters and dont want to touch it. It will take the deaths of Americans to get them off the dime.

[patrone]

Why dont you just let anyone who joins your Army get a greencard?
And if he gets killed in service, full citezenship to his family?

[A_Clown]

Originally posted by patrone
Why dont you just let anyone who joins your Army get a greencard?
And if he gets killed in service, full citezenship to his family?

I'd be willing to bet that would cause a SHARP increase in military suicides or questionable casualties.

I think each person should be reviewed on a case by case situation. No one should get in because of the actions of others, except small children accompanied by their parents.

[patrone]

Well whatwouldyaknow.......

[Sabre]

Originally posted by cpxxx
But who will do all the dirty low paid jobs no one else wants?  It's the same in this country. Lots of illegals and legal foreigners doing the dirty low paid jobs we don't want to do.

The best and only solution is for the countries these people come from to get rich enough to provide jobs for ambitious people of the kind who emigrate to better themselves.

I hear this one all the time from people, but they never answer this question: Why are they paid so low? Because, they're hear illegally, and know they can't complain to anyone about pay/working conditions/treatment.  Alternately, why don't more Americans want those jobs?  Because the employers know they can get dirt-cheap illegal aliens to do it for a fraction of the cost.  Less than minimum wage, no benefits to provide, no payroll taxes or SS to pay out, no retirement funds to feed.

I've no problem with someone coming here legally to work (and support the social infrastructure).  The problem is, that's not what's happening.

[ra]

Originally posted by A_Clown
...One of the things he opened with was "America, 380 thousand Illigal immegrants can't be wrong!"

The last estimate I heard was 20 million.

[Red Tail 444]

I know a girl who is here legally, applying for a student visa, and there's been a help wanted sign at several stores, for years, but she can't apply.

Who's job would she be taking? other than the fact she's smarter than most people, she wants to work, but the BS red tape is preventing that.

Good for her she has enough money to live w/o working here. But even that isint gonna last forever

[GtoRA2]

She is the person Imagration reform should help. Instead of her having to jump through hoops she should be able to get a work visa with a background check.

[Glas]

Originally posted by Sabre
I hear this one all the time from people, but they never answer this question: Why are they paid so low? Because, they're hear illegally, and know they can't complain to anyone about pay/working conditions/treatment.  Alternately, why don't more Americans want those jobs?  Because the employers know they can get dirt-cheap illegal aliens to do it for a fraction of the cost.  Less than minimum wage, no benefits to provide, no payroll taxes or SS to pay out, no retirement funds to feed.
 

Exactly.  The only way I think you could deal with this problem is to absolutely hammer any employer who does it, unless they can show that they themselves had been duped.

[spitfiremkv]

Originally posted by Sabre


My thoughts are that some combination is required; a solution that is both preventative (slowing illegal imigration, and making legal but temporary imigration process more efficient, but tied to job availability), and punitive (heavy fines and possible jail time for employers, drastically limiting social services for those here illegally, some type of punishment for multiple illegal border crashers).  What are your thoughts?

outsource agriculture to India.