So the Icon says he is 1k above me!

[TequilaChaser]

So the Icon says he is 1k above me!


well is he 1 K  ( 1,000 ft ) or ( 3,000ft )

the answer is if the icon says the enemy is 1K and he is above you he actually has a 3,000 ft advantage of alt on you.......
trying to close on that 1K icon when it is above you can be hard especially if your E  is equal to his or lower.......


if you reverse the role and you have the 3k alt ( 3,000 ft ) advantage, his lower enemy's icon is saying 1k ( yours is showing him 1K) if you got a decent amount of E you just might be able to rope them / spiral climb out on them.........


most of the older players understand the difference...........but I thought I would bring the subject back up for the ones that have never thought about it....


so to keep it simple, if you are at 3 k alt and the enemy is directly above you showing 1K on their Icon, they are at 6k alt.........3k alt is alot  to work with.....think about it!  

Let me revise this last statement- you are flying at 3k alt ( 3,000ft  that is above sea level not AGL, AGL = above ground level). now as you fly along you see an icon directly above you in which the icon is showing 1K( 1K = 1,000 yards), which is actually 3,000 ft. so the 1K Icon is actually flying at 6k alt ( 6,000 ft above sea level ) He can maneuver and turn quiet easily in the vertical inside that 3,000 ft spread ( 1K on the icon showing ).

thanks for  clarifying what I was saying SA2

[StarOfAfrica2]

What the venerable TC is saying is, an icon 1k above you is 1000 yards above you, or 3000 ft. (1yd. = 3ft.).  Icon range is measured in yards, not feet.  Altimeter readings are in feet.

So if you are at 10k, and you see a formation of B-24's above you and the icon says 2k, he is actually 6000 ft above you.  

Always a good thing to remember.

[Flyboy]

i wish you cave people will see the light and just move to metric

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by Flyboy
i wish you cave people will see the light and just move to metric

1st off here you go:
Measuring Units conversion tools

but I was trying to get across, that  some people fly up to a plane think he is only 1k or 1000  above me(they are thinking ft not yards), I can get him easily.....when in actuality he is 3,000 ft away  in the vertical, that is quiet significant, especially when you are at an averge speed of say 200 IAS or lower.

so many fly in the arena and wonder, how did you do that, I was on your 6 1K away/behind climbing up to you. well when you talk about turning radius, are you talking about yards or feet?  well, you are talking about feet, and 3,000 ft (1K on the Icon) offers alot of room to maneuver and/or turn around.  I  didn't clarify in my first post the difference between the 2 units of measurement used in the game in regards to distance which are Feet and Yards, thank you for clarifying that for me SA2.


2nd thing -  I like the U S customary measuring system....it is simply put....IMPERIAL!

[Marco]

lol FlyBoy, oh and thanks TC very helpful site as far as metric conversions...hehe

[Ghosth]

As long as you have a substantial portion of a group of people who were raised with a different system. Change is going to come about slowly, if at all.

Metric is fine, IF that is what you were rasied with & used to.

[Flyboy]

hehe.

simply put metric is just batter

[koda76]

What about the slack inbetween the readings......as an example I see a con @ 1k.........as I climb it will change to 1000 then to 800 then to 500 etc.....is there not a chance he really was between 1001 and 1k?

[BenDover]

Originally posted by Ghosth
As long as you have a substantial portion of a group of people who were raised with a different system. Change is going to come about slowly, if at all.

Metric is fine, IF that is what you were rasied with & used to.

Do what we do,

Use Both!

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by koda76
What about the slack inbetween the readings......as an example I see a con @ 1k.........as I climb it will change to 1000 then to 800 then to 500 etc.....is there not a chance he really was between 1001 and 1k?

correct me if I am wrong, but say you see an icon it says 2K ( he is anywhere 2,000 yrds to 2,999 yds away ) or ( 6,000 ft to 8,997 ft away )

if you see the icon at 1K he could have been 1,499 yds to 1,000 yds away ( 4,497 ft to 3,000 ft )

the drop from 1K to 1000 to 800 to 600 to 400 to 200 to 0  is still measured in yards,  the point I was getting at is when talking icon range in the vertical you should remember that alt is measured in feet, so should always multiply your icon  x 3 to get their alt. Also, when seeing an icon above you at  1.5k or 2k or even 1k, one should remember you have to burn E ( speed ) to get to him. And that in 1K ( 3,000 ft ) seperation in the vertical offers enough room for the ability for the higher opponent to maneuver with in that seperation.  

SO, remember don't climb to them unless you are hording an extreme to good amount of E ( speed ), if you do you will be a sitting duck, but if you have E you can easily surprise the higher plane and cause him to panic.....

[koda76]

That was my point,,,it could be 1001 to 1999 and still show 1k

[StarOfAfrica2]

No, because it shows 1.5, 2.5, etc.

At most, if it shows 1k, it is between 1000 and 1499 yards (I think, dont know if there is a rounding effect in place that would show 1.5 as the effective range when its really less?)  Mostly thats because at the closer ranges, you can close that distance so quickly it helps the counter keep up (at least thats how I was told it works, that could be wrong also).

[TequilaChaser]

SA2 is correct.....

goes 6K, 5.5K, 5K, 4.5K, 4K, 3.5K, 3K, 2.5K, 2K, 1.5K, 1K, 1000, 800, 600, 400, 200, 0

1.5k is 1500 to 1999
1K is 1000 to 1499
1000 is 801 to 1000

that is how I have always understood it

still in all, my point was understanding the difference in alt measurement vs icon measurement and turn radius measurement.

when people in game say enemy is 5k alt,  some are calling out what the enemy's icon says when infact he is 3 times higher when you encounter him


then some says "I was only 1K or 1.5K below you climbing to you", well that means I had a 3,000 ft alt advantage on you or more....I was just trying to offer a description of the difference so people can understand why or how things happen or are able to happen....

as SA2 pointed out, when you get down to the 1K icon the distance is easier to close.....yes to a degree, but sometimes it looks easy but when talking vertical it is not as easy to close at it appears...

[koda76]

Ah yes that is true...good point's SOA2 and TChaser.....

[fuzeman]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser

1.5k is 1500 to 1999
1K is 1000 to 1499
1000 is 801 to 1000
 

I actually did a film offline and checked the DX.X distance against the distance shown in the column on the right.
I slowed it down so I could see the DX.X icon change compared to indicated distance in the column.
The D2.5k icon corresponded to range 2.7k through 2.3k so I assume D2.5k on icon represents anything from 2,7499k to 2,250k.
Close in it is similar with a D600 icon corresponding to a range of 699 to 500.
The D1.0k corresponded to an indicated range of 1.2k to 1001 and the icon changed to D1000 at 1000 or 999, that was too close to tell.
So a DX.X range is + or - D0.5k
A D1.0k icon is 1.2k to 1001 with only a + margin of error.
A D1000 icon is 1000 to 900 with a - range of error.
A Dxxxx icon is + or -100

At least that's how I saw it. This was using a level co-alt approach to the target I was distancing.