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Offline Raider179

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« on: January 23, 2005, 02:19:10 AM »
hehe just kidding but seriously we are about to get us some more black gold


http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/21/alaska.oil.ap/index.html

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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2005, 04:13:54 AM »
I love this story.
Step one: the voice of the people says 'Let's protect Mother Nature.
Step two: 'Let's do it' says the federal government, and makes the land a federal sanctuary.
Step three: 'Let's do it' says the government and starts oil drilling in this NOW FEDERAL land .  :D

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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2005, 06:05:47 AM »
Horay!  Alaskan Oil feeds the West Coast.  Maybe 100LL will go back under $2 now.

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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2005, 06:51:53 AM »
not likely. ANWAR's oil reserves are a drop in the bucket. The only economic effect that will be felt will be the fattening of texan wallets.

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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2005, 07:53:57 AM »
Just FYI, the NPR-A is not ANWAR, apparently.   From the link:

"The NPRA, which was created in 1923 specifically to have access to oil if needed, is not to be confused with the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge farther to the east, which has been the focus of intense debate in Congress over oil development."

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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2005, 08:00:10 AM »
Environmentalists are stuck in the 50's where oil exploration is concerned. Modern drilling has a very low environmental impact. Companies today go to great legnths to minimalize the effects of drilling. Most modern locations, you would never know a rig had been there at all.
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2005, 08:59:15 AM »
I never voted to make all of Alaska off limits for drilling and neither did the people of Alaska.

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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2005, 09:04:43 AM »
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Originally posted by Dinger
not likely. ANWAR's oil reserves are a drop in the bucket. The only economic effect that will be felt will be the fattening of texan wallets.


But how much would the ANWR reserve estimates reduce US reliance on international oil imports?
Specifically, PERSIAN GULF oil imports?
Lets do the math..



Persian Gulf Oil and Gas Exports Fact Sheet

U.S. gross oil imports from the Persian Gulf rose during 2003 to 2.5 million bbl/d (almost all of which was crude), from 2.3 million bbl/d in 2002. The vast majority of Persian Gulf oil imported by the United States came from Saudi Arabia (71%), with significant amounts also coming from Iraq (19%), Kuwait (9%), and small amounts (less than 1% total) from Qatar and the United Arab Emirates.


http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/pgulf.html



Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, 1002 Area, Petroleum Assessment, 1998, Including Economic Analysis


 Technically recoverable oil within the ANWR 1002 area (excluding State and Native areas) is estimated to be between 4.3 and 11.8 billion barrels (95- and 5-percent probability range), with a mean value of 7.7 billion barrels (table 1).
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0028-01/fs-0028-01.htm

Persion gulf oil imports/day = 2.5Mbbl/d

Total USGS AMWR reserve estimate: mean value of 7.7 billion barrels

Assume 20 years to deplete total mean ANWR oil reserve estimate (7.7B bbl / 20 years = 385M bbl/y)

Production per day from AMWR oil reserve estimate over 20 years ( 385M bbl/y /365days) =1.054M bbl/d

Percentage of daily PERSION GULF oil imports that could be replaced by AMWR reserves (1.054M bbl/d / 2.5M bbl/d *100) =42% reduction of reliance on PERSION GULF imports!

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I hope my arithmetric operands are in order here, it's pretty late. If any gross errors in calculation are evident and forthcomming I'll be glad to skulk back over to my lurkers corner in shame.
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Also there are these 3 great reasons for developing ANWR oil reserves besides reduction of reliance on imported oil:

1. cheaper than iraq
2. pisses off treehuggers
3. we've got enough wildlife already
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2005, 10:53:02 AM »
Open every US oil well and don't buy another drop from outside sources.

When crude hits ten cents a barrel cap them again and go back to imported oil.
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2005, 12:17:52 PM »
If new Alaskan oil could replace 40 percent of production there wouldn’t even be a debate. The key consideration is economically recoverable. We can get oil from shale if the market makes the cost of doing so favorable. It doesn’t so all of those resources become paper resources in practical usage.

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The USGS estimated:

This new assessment concludes that the volume of technically recoverable, undiscovered oil beneath Federal lands in NPRA ranges between 5.9 and 13.2 billion barrels (95% and 5% probabilities), with a mean (expected) value of 9.3 billion barrels. Most of the oil is estimated to occur in the northern third of NPRA, to be distributed among several plays, and to occur in accumulations of moderate size. It is unlikely that a Prudhoe Bay-size accumulation occurs in NPRA.

Over a range of market prices between $22 and $30 per barrel, between 1.3 and 5.6 billion barrels of oil are estimated to be economically recoverable, [edit: this is well above what OPEC can accept and still make a profit - it practically gushes out of the ground in many areas like Saudi Arabia] on the basis of the mean estimate of technically recoverable oil volumes. Estimates of technically recoverable, undiscovered nonassociated natural gas resources for the same area range between 39.1 and 83.2 trillion cubic feet (95% and 5% probabilities), with a mean (expected) value of 59.7 trillion cubic feet. The economic viability of these natural gas resources will depend on the availability of a pipeline to transport the gas to market.

The amounts of oil and gas estimated for the NPRA area are significantly greater than USGS estimates made in 1980. The increase in estimated oil resources is largely the result of the recognition of new plays based on oil accumulations recently discovered just east of NPRA. Increased gas estimates result from improved understanding of thermal maturity, reservoir development, and timing of trap development relative to hydrocarbon generation.

The amount of technically recoverable oil estimated for NPRA is similar to that estimated for the ANWR study area. However, economic analysis—which takes into consideration differences in accumulation sizes, the number of accumulations of various size, and proximity of those accumulations to infrastructure—shows that for market prices below $35 per barrel, a larger volume of oil will be economic in the ANWR area.


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The effect of oil from ANWR on US oil imports and OPEC’s ability to influence prices is limited by the timing of production. If development started today, it would take about twelve years for production to reach 1 million barrels per day (mbd); in another six years production would peak at about 1.3 mbd, and five years later, production would drop below 1 mbd (mean case) (8). For the 5 percent best case scenario, production would reach 1 mbd in eight years, peak at 1.9 mbd in 22 years, and drop below 1 mbd in another seven years. These long lead times imply that production from the ANWR will not contribute significantly to US supply for more than a decade.

This schedule of production from the ANWR will have relatively little effect on prices. Prices in the world oil market are determined by a combination of geological, institutional, and economic factors (9). Increased production from the ANWR will reduce prices by reducing capacity utilization by OPEC and that its share of the world oil market. The actual effect on capacity utilization will depend on OPEC’s degree of foresight. If OPEC correctly anticipates production from the ANWR, which would not be difficult given its long lead times, OPEC could slow additions to capacity very modestly such that its utilization rate (and its effect on price) would be unchanged relative to a scenario in which no oil is produced from the ANWR. The effect on price in this case would be negligible. In the unlikely case that OPEC acts with no foresight, an extra 1 to 2 mbd of production from the ANWR would reduce capacity utilization by at most 2 to 3 percent (In their base case, the US Department of Energy forecasts that OPEC will produce 62.4 mbd of the world’s demand of 122.4 mbd in 2020). Regardless of OPEC behavior, the 1 to 2 mbd from the ANWR would reduce OPEC’s share of the world oil market by 2 to 3 percent. Such a change would be virtually undetectable given the large fluctuations in crude oil prices. http://www.oilanalytics.org/policy/dejavu.html



The result of ANWR drilling would likely not be a reduction in imports, but the shutting down of current domestic production that is even less cost effective. In fact, wells that when shut down would be hydrologically impossible to restart - so much for making every drop count. Similarly, the proposed higher mileage requirements that were shot down a few years ago were estimated to have roughly the same impact as ANWR drilling, but no one seemed to lose any sleep over that. Since we do not have a national oil industry in the US or a regulated market, there is no incentive to use this oil to artificially lower prices or artificially replace imported oil, which is far more economical. It doesn’t just squirt out of the ground like it does in the Middle East, for example. It might provide some pressure towards lowering prices, but not significant given the actual impact on world markets.

Confusing the issue, the oil companies spend a lot of money spreading the myth, because even though it would have relatively little impact on domestic oil supplies and the price at the pump, E&P (exploration and production) is where the corporate money is and the oil companies will do quite well. Especially true since E&P in the Middle East and other areas strongly favors the local national oil companies. To make the sell they like to use older USGS data and any data very selectively to spin the benefits. Sadly, we are no longer, (and haven’t been for a while) a significant producer of world oil. We are also spoiling what wilderness we have at a rapid rate. Since I’m not a CEO or significant shareholder in a major oil company, an Alaskan getting tax bribes, a member of the appropriately funded “think tank” or a politician looking for a check, at least for me, the benefit doesn’t outweigh the potential damage. If it really, really did then my opinion would be different :)

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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2005, 12:29:56 PM »
since you also don't live in or even visit Alaska then you telling them what lands they need to prohibit exploration on seems a little busybody to me.

It is their land let em do as they wish.   Modern exploration and spill prevention is pretty darn good.  

While the recoverable oil in Alaska is nowhere near as easy to get as the middle east.... we need to get started.   To predict how much is there or how long it will take to get it out of the ground and to market or even how much that will cost is mental masterbation especialy if you are trying to predict the tech of a dozen years from now or even 5 years from now.

It is allways easy to say things are impossible or not worth it but there is very little evidence that this is the case in Alaska.   It gets easier every year.l

Now... I don't even mind finding it and getting the supply lines open and then capping it all up...  And then... Use all the middle east oil till we use it up or it gets expensive.  

To sit on our hands and do nothing seems stupid.

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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2005, 12:53:14 PM »
I think if and when it makes economic sense for Big Oil to expand exploration and production in Alaska, then it will, opposition be damned.   It just won't matter.

But for now, its pretty hard to compete with oil that practically gushes out of the ground, even when its half a world away in a polically unstable region.

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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2005, 01:34:33 PM »
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Environmentalists are stuck in the 50's where oil exploration is concerned. Modern drilling has a very low environmental impact. Companies today go to great legnths to minimalize the effects of drilling. Most modern locations, you would never know a rig had been there at all.



:aok

Yup RPM nailed it with sound logic.  Modern day drilling equipment can be miles away from were they are actully drilling.  They have the ability to actually drill sideways underground.

Not to mention they are so regulated and inspected they can't get away with much.

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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2005, 03:20:15 PM »
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since you also don't live in or even visit Alaska then you telling them what lands they need to prohibit exploration on seems a little busybody to me.


Actually it's all of our land unless it's on private property. Mine as much as somebody living in the state. If the returns were greater -- much greater -- it would make more sense. The spin about “reducing dependence on foreign oil” or “lowering gasoline prices” would have some truth. But, that’s not reality. The multi-national major oil companies shut down wells in the US every day that are just not profitable enough. Foreign oil is cheaper, that’s why we import so much (in addition to the fact that we really have little choice). The Alaskan's like it cause the oil companies write big checks to keep them happy. Where’s my check?

Now, if there was regulation in place guaranteeing that the damage to a dwindling environment  --  a  national treasure of its own -- would be applied in such a way that we would benefit directly from giving up that resource... that's something to discuss. Something like, “We’ll let you drill for the oil but it must be used in the US market and applied at cost plus 10 percent…” but that will never happen. They are not in this to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, or reduce gasoline prices, they are in it to add a zero here or there on the next quarterly report.

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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2005, 05:41:36 PM »
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Now, if there was regulation in place guaranteeing that the damage to a dwindling environment
--  a  national treasure of its own -- would be applied in such a way that we would benefit directly from giving up that resource... that's something to discuss. Something like, “We’ll let you drill for the oil but it must be used in the US market and applied at cost plus 10 percent…” but that will never happen. They are not in this to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, or reduce gasoline prices, they are in it to add a zero here or there on the next quarterly report.

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