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« on: January 24, 2005, 02:52:58 AM »
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New spy agency at Pentagon operating secretly in Iraq, Afghanistan: report

Sun Jan 23, 5:04 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The Pentagon (news - web sites) has created a new spying agency that has already been operating secretly in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) for two years.

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The unit, called the Strategic Support Branch, has also been in operation in other places sources would not disclose, the Washington Post said, citing documents and interviews with participants.

A early planning memorandum to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Richard Myers, said the focus of the initiative was on "emerging target countries such as Somalia, Yemen, Indonesia, Philippines and Georgia," according to the Post.

The secret spying organization is designed to provide Rumsfeld with tools to conduct so-called human intelligence tasks, such as interrogation of prisoners and recruitment of foreign spies.

Recruited agents may include "notorious figures" whose association with the US government would be embarrassing if revealed, the Post said, citing a Pentagon memo.

Rumsfeld has been trying since October 2001 to provide the US military faster access to intelligence and new tools to penetrate terror groups such as Al-Qaeda.

But the Pentagon's initiative encroaches on the traditional territory of the CIA (news - web sites) and gives Rumsfeld unprecedented authority over foreign spying at a time when Congress is trying to group an array of intelligence agencies under a new national intelligence director.

Rumsfeld for months opposed the creation of the new post and was instrumental in stalling passage of intelligence reform legislation recommended by the commission that investigated US intelligence failures prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks.
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Re: rummy's new spy agency
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2005, 03:07:18 AM »
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AFP
New spy agency at Pentagon operating secretly in Iraq, Afghanistan: report

Sun Jan 23, 5:04 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The Pentagon (news - web sites) has created a new spying agency that has already been operating secretly in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) for two years.

Photo
AFP/File Photo

   

The unit, called the Strategic Support Branch, has also been in operation in other places sources would not disclose, the Washington Post said, citing documents and interviews with participants.

A early planning memorandum to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Richard Myers, said the focus of the initiative was on "emerging target countries such as Somalia, Yemen, Indonesia, Philippines and Georgia," according to the Post.

The secret spying organization is designed to provide Rumsfeld with tools to conduct so-called human intelligence tasks, such as interrogation of prisoners and recruitment of foreign spies.

Recruited agents may include "notorious figures" whose association with the US government would be embarrassing if revealed, the Post said, citing a Pentagon memo.

Rumsfeld has been trying since October 2001 to provide the US military faster access to intelligence and new tools to penetrate terror groups such as Al-Qaeda.

But the Pentagon's initiative encroaches on the traditional territory of the CIA (news - web sites) and gives Rumsfeld unprecedented authority over foreign spying at a time when Congress is trying to group an array of intelligence agencies under a new national intelligence director.

Rumsfeld for months opposed the creation of the new post and was instrumental in stalling passage of intelligence reform legislation recommended by the commission that investigated US intelligence failures prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks.


I'm disgusted at Rummy's name being thrashed in these BBs by a known wanted leftist-liberal Euro trash trying to conceal herself behind the codename.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2005, 03:14:52 AM »
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I'm disgusted at Rummy's name being thrashed in these BBs by a known wanted leftist-liberal Euro trash trying to conceal herself behind the codename.
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2005, 03:19:24 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2005, 05:04:41 AM »
Pentagon denies news report of new spy unit


By Andrea Stone, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The Pentagon acknowledged Sunday that it is trying to improve its network of spies abroad but denied a published report that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had reinterpreted U.S. law to create an espionage unit under his control.

Pentagon spokesman Lawrence DiRita said it was "accurate and should not be surprising" that the Pentagon would try to improve its human spying capability, an area that the 9/11 Commission concluded was inadequate.

As part of that effort, he said, the Defense Intelligence Agency "has been taking steps to be more focused and task-oriented for the global war on terror." DiRita said the Defense Department "remains in regular consultation" with congressional committees, the CIA and other intelligence agencies.

DiRita denied that Rumsfeld controls a secret group of spies. "There is no unit that is directly reportable to the Secretary of Defense for clandestine operations as is described in TheWashington Post," he said in a statement. "Further, the Department is not attempting to 'bend' statutes to fit desired activities, as is suggested in this article."

The Post said a new spy unit is called the Strategic Support Branch. In a written order quoted by the newspaper, Rumsfeld expresses frustration after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks over the Pentagon's "near total dependence on CIA" for human intelligence.

The Post said the organization was designed to operate without detection and under Rumsfeld's direct control. It has operated for two years in deploying small teams of caseworkers, linguists, interrogators and technical specialists to work alongside special operations forces, the newspaper said.

The newspaper said the unit was established "using 'reprogrammed' funds without explicit congressional authority or appropriation."

Under U.S. law, Pentagon intelligence missions are subject to less rigorous congressional oversight than similar operations carried out by the CIA.

Rumsfeld fought for months against an intelligence overhaul bill passed by Congress late last year that leaves intact the CIA's control over human intelligence and which puts 15 U.S. intelligence agencies under a newly created national intelligence director. The Defense secretary dropped his objections only after House Republican leaders inserted language that was seen as preserving the Pentagon's autonomy.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said on CBS' Face the Nation that he knew nothing of such a Pentagon unit and expected his panel to hold hearings about it. He said that he "would doubt" the unit was illegal.
      

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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2005, 11:32:39 AM »
So what's the big deal. So they have someone on the ground triing to get more information. The lack of information on WMD's is what got us into Iraq.
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2005, 01:14:40 PM »
this is so funny, the neo-libs cry about bad intell before iraq, now they cry about too much intell. make up you minds neo-lib weenies.

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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2005, 01:18:14 PM »
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this is so funny, the neo-libs cry about bad intell before iraq, now they cry about too much intell. make up you minds neo-lib weenies.


lol, nail on the head.
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2005, 01:22:46 PM »
On Sept 11th, 2001, Tom Clancy was interviewd on one of the networks (maybe more... only saw the one interview).  During the interview, the reporter asked "Why do you think the intelligence community was caught so totally unaware by this tragedy."

Clancy's reply was gruff and out of line, but it is basically summed up by this article and this thread.  "They didn't have the intelligence because you'd never let them do what they need to do to get it."

The reporter indignantly quipped back, "We have nothing to do with that."

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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2005, 01:29:31 PM »
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this is so funny, the neo-libs cry about bad intell before iraq, now they cry about too much intell. make up you minds neo-lib weenies.



Only two "liberals" have commented on this.  Why use the all inclusive "the neo-libs"?

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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2005, 01:34:19 PM »
Come on thrawn... it was a neo-lib strokefest when he posted that.

OK... maybe you're just a bit upset because the neo-lib label was thrown out and you weren't there to bask in the glory, but this post-petty-depression is a bit disturbing.

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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2005, 01:36:58 PM »
At least I was on time for the neo-con stroke fest.

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2005, 01:38:08 PM »
How are they neo-libs? Liberals have been the same since liberalism came into existance. There is no 'neo' about them.

Unless you are trying to turn around the neo-con label that is applied to particular "conservatives" who are actually a little bit of conservative with just enough liberalism to be screwed up. Bringing democracy and freedom to people who do not fight for it, and whether they want it or not, thats a liberal ideology.
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2005, 01:46:18 PM »
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So what's the big deal.


"Under U.S. law, Pentagon intelligence missions are subject to less rigorous congressional oversight than similar operations carried out by the CIA."

Seperation of powers issue.

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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2005, 02:51:49 PM »
I'm glad to see that humint is finally being funded and implemented without so much oversight that it collapses.  Real effective humint needs to be given clear and morally sound orders, then let loose on a very long leash that's only twitched occasionally to keep them on the right path.

Congressional hearings to let every damn busybody or security leak with an agenda find out all the details will do nothing but ruin any good work this new unit is doing.  They might as well tape "US humint asset" on their shirts and wear cowboy hats after congress gets through destroying opsec and spreading the details through politically targeted leaks.

If McCain wants to see the details, he's powerful enough that we ought to pull him inside the vault and just show him.  Fine, give him that because he can ruin everything if we don't.  But if we don't do everything possible to limit access to a limited but trusted set of congressmen (which I suspect has already happened), we're probably condemning the agents and their contacts to death and very likely destroying the program entirely.

No, I'm not being melodramatic, and yes it's that serious.  Opsec is damn serious because even tiny, seemingly innocuous leaks can get individuals compromised and killed with no way to save them or their contacts.  In the military this stuff is compartmentalized in extreme ways, and the details are kept separate even from people with the highest clearances, because if more than one person knows it then it's not a secret anymore, national interests will be compromised, and people can/will get killed.

In the media recently I've seen media leaks of information that I know very well is highly classified, because some congresscritter or staffer doesn't trust the president.  Those leaks cause measurable damage to our national security and put people's lives at risk.  Every time a congressman leaks something he puts MY life at risk for his own political agenda.  I have yet to see a leak that actually points to any wrongdoing.  They're all explained as an unnamed staffer leaked something to the media because they think the president is doing something for the wrong reasons.  Thanks prettythanghat, I needed more danger in my life because you don't like the president.  Get out more votes next time you schmuck, and don't take your whiny complaints out on me by spilling secrets you swore to protect and signed a binding contract to not disclose.

Anyhow that's my take...  We do lots of secret stuff with full approval of the people who need to give the approval, and frankly people just don't need to know about it because if they just STFU, it'll work out.  Traitors used to be hanged for spilling secrets because they are endangering the lives of the entire nation, but right now it's cool and hip for congressmen to spill secrets if they're holding a grudge.  Hang a couple of them and maybe they'll keep their damn mouths shut unless it's really important.  If it's so important, they'll still be willing to risk their lives to get the word out, so it won't deter honest patriotic whistleblowing.  It'll just shut down the whiny complainers who were left out of the loop because they had no need to know.
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