this annoys me

[patrone]

yes, I think that Göring picked it up during his travels in Sweden.
He married the close relative to Von Rosen, who used it as a symbol for his Family, taken from originaly India.

Exact same Symbol was on the Finnish airforce to Honour this person : Von Rosen

[wombatt]

Originally posted by NUKE
I am.

When making German WWII model aircraft, I likle the Swastika to be on them, just like they really did.

The 190 kit I'm making now ( French made) does not have the swastica's and that's gay.

Beyond that, I have nothing against the swastica in general. It was a symbol long before Hitler ever used it.

Thats fine your the only one who has to look at your models.
LOL take those same models to a synagogue and see how well they will be recieved.

[beet1e]

Wondering why the swastika should be banned is like burning a country's national flag and wondering why bystanders get upset and pissed off at you as you try to argue that it was just a piece of coloured cloth.

Furby, watch the rest of that Auschwitz series on BBC2/Tuesdays. Also visit the Imperial War Museum in Lambeth - the top two floors - Crimes Against Humanity. Then post back.

[Furball]

been to the IWM, met an Auschwitz survivor, still do not believe that it should be censored.

Worst thing any country could possibly do is hide the past.

[Heretik]

Originally posted by wombatt
Maybe because it symbolized the regime the gassed 6 million Jews.

<--- Symbolizes the regime that killed around 30 million people.  Not banned.  Thanks for playing.

[wombatt]

Originally posted by Furball
been to the IWM, met an Auschwitz survivor, still do not believe that it should be censored.

Worst thing any country could possibly do is hide the past.

You where lucky to meet an Auschwitz survivor.
Unfortunately I have those in my family that did not.

[Chairboy]

Thing is, the swastika has been around a lot longer then the Nazis.  The sounds that make up the word swastika are from sanskrit, and it has a nice history right up until some german fellas decided it fit their ideas of destiny and thousand year reichs.

Check out this history/article about the symbol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

I listened to a story on NPR about a gentleman who is frustrated that the hindu use of the swastika has essentially been erased in some parts of the world because of the Nazis and is trying to educate people to seperate the symbol from the people who used it.

Should it be banned?  No.  It's just a freaking symbol.  Symbols, like flags, don't mean anything unless there are movements of people supporting them.  To head off the inevitable argument at the pass, if a hindu uses a swastika as part of their religious observances, are they giving comfort and solace to neo-nazis?  

The KKK burned crosses and supported the erection of lit crosses above many towns as a means of intimidation by 'shining the light of christ' on blacks, does that mean the cross should be banned?  Of course not.

Seperate the symbol from the people.  This applies to the swastika as much as it applies to the cross.

[JB88]

well said chairboy.

im a little over all of the "ban this, ban that" crud.

[wombatt]

Very easy to sit back and not care one way or the other about it if you are one either not a Jew or have not lost relatives in the Holocaust.

[patrone]

taken from Wikipedia:

The blue swastika was the good luck symbol used by the Swedish Count Erich von Rosen, who donated the first plane to the Finnish White Army during the Civil War in Finland. It has no connection to the Nazi use of the swastika. It also still appears in many Finnish medals and decorations, in a visually understated manner.

LOL,,  not connected at all to Nazi: Erich Von Rosens Sister was only married to a Herman Göring.........

[JB88]

true wombat.

but thats where people come in.

its one thing to rub someones face in it and another to say im not going to let it have power.

banning it only adds to its power.

IMHO.

and its not just the jews who got screwed by the nazi's.  how many boys did we lose?  how many did the brits?  when prince harry wore that swastica, my first judgement came from there.  it was more of an affrond to the english in that case, considering the germans bombing the hell out of london.

none the less.  

i am against banning symbols.

i feel that it gives them more power than they should have.

[WilldCrd]

Originally posted by wombatt
You where lucky to meet an Auschwitz survivor.
Unfortunately I have those in my family that did not.

Thought you wewre baptist...

[wombatt]

Originally posted by JB88
true wombat.

but thats where people come in.

its one thing to rub someones face in it and another to say im not going to let it have power.

banning it only adds to its power.

IMHO.

Nope not at all.
Think of it this way.
Say your mother is murderd and evrywhere you go you are forced
to see a picture of the guy who did it.
Now how would that make you feel?

OK thats how anything relating to the nazi's makes a jew feel.

[JB88]

how does a palestinian feel about the star of david?

how does that make them feel?

[wombatt]

Originally posted by JB88
how does a palestinian feel about the star of david?

how does that make them feel?

If he keeps his butt out of Israel he should not care one way or the other i would imagine.