Pyro, question about future 190s

[Tilt]

This all seems to be a function of lumping WEP thru "over rev" and WEP thru additive under the same button................

If WEP should only be accessed thru buttons then yes there should be two.................IMO

Ideally over rev should be set off the RPM controller and additive off a button................

The rpm can still be forced to mil or the additive switched off (or both)when temp becomes too high................(preserving the present "engine management")

Where ac have both forms of WEP and only a single button then there will be a compramise forced that will probably have to be revisited at some future date.

Also why should additive stop being added when throttling back or reducing rpm. Would it not continue to be governed into the engine untill it is switched off?

[Schutt]

I dont like the generic WEP system.

Planes had water injection, MW50 injection, overboost usw.

Also rich/lean mixture and cooling flaps.

All with pros and cons, also with the fluid needed to use it used up.

Can we have that in ah2? On my part, would certainly add to simulation. As long as all the planes that have emergency power just use the generic overboost, as long as all have ammo counters, this is a game.

Calling it best flight simulation, as it repeatedly is called is a bit of a exaggeration and in no way fits with that features.

[Crumpp]

Hey Naudet,

The chart just covered the BMW 801 series. I might have a Jumo 213 chart around.  I can check and email it to you if I find it.

Krusty,

Pyro will be redoing the FW-190's FM soon.  I am sure this engine setting will be corrected then.

Crumpp

[MANDO]

Krusty, you simply dont understand that that power was normally used in combat, not only for takeoffs.

Implementing these 3 power setting ranges in AH should be fairly easy using a single button and the throttle with banding.

Most joy throttle handlers have about 90 degree movement from min to max. From the AH throttle axis calibration it would be nice to have options to set up three ranges or bands:

The first and large range or band will go smoothly from 0 to MIL. Then a second range or band only for MIL.
And finally, a range for WEP1.

For example, from 0 to 60 degrees, normal throttle from 0 to MIL.
From 61 to 80 degrees, MIL.
From 81 to 90 degrees or max throttle, WEP1.

WEP2 would remain as the current WEP button.

[Tilt]

Originally posted by MANDO

The first and large range or band will go smoothly from 0 to MIL. Then a second range or band only for MIL.
And finally, a range for WEP1.
.

Its rpm related.

Hence at Mil rpm, full throttle will produce full mil power.

when at higher rpm full throttle will produce WEP........

It would only be linked to your throttle if you mapped both rpm and throttle on the same axis (which would be the best newbie fix any way) ie that axis usually used for throttle.

if separate

When rpm is from the key board it defaults to mil rpm at the max range of the key board adjustment (+-). But there is no reason why it should not default to this value and still be adjustable higher from the keyboard.

When rpm is mapped to another js axis then it is up to the player to set it accordingly.

In both cases the MP achieved with throttle and rpm will be totally down to the  settings chosen as will the degree of engine heat.

[MANDO]

Originally posted by Tilt
Its rpm related.

Just for 190s, MP and rpm were both controlled by the single throttle handler. But, for this particular case, more than probably MP and rpm curves were different along the throttle range (50% MP does not correspond to 50% rpm). Mapping rpm and MP to the throttle axis in AH would not be a good idea at all.

[Tilt]

Originally posted by MANDO
Mapping rpm and MP to the throttle axis in AH would not be a good idea at all.

Mine are............4 x throttles and 4 x rpm all mapped to the throttle lever...........

Works very well

the only down side is that you dont enjoy as much engine braking when you throttle back..................... up side in the MA is fuel conservation.


If I really want to engine brake then I switch it off and push the throttle to full.


PS to be clear (and I am sure you know this) MP is a function of Throttle and RPM so MP cannot be mapped........... throttle can be mapped and RPM can be mapped and togethr they set (with alts etc) the MP.

The AH rpm range does not go from zero to max it goes from minimum to mil...............Hence already the rpm range is not proportional to the throttle range.

Obviously if the rpm range was expanded to go from minimum to max (including the WEP band) then a co mapped throttle and rpm would not produce full mil power at mil rpm rating (because then it would not be at full throttle) it would however produce full WEP at maximum rpm and full mil if the AH engine temp control "management" denies the ac the top rpm band due to high engine temperature.

This would also stop folk "gaming" the wep button in high engine temp conditions.

Of course folk would still have the ability to map rpm and throttle separately to achieve full fidelity.