Pyro, question about future 190s

[MANDO]

Do you plan to redo 190s "WEP" management?

Currently we jump from "climb and combat" to "special emergency power", but we cant get "takeoff and emergency" power in 190A8, F8, D9 and Ta.

As far as I know, "takeoff and emergency" power was present in all these 190 models as max throttle power setting. "Special emergency power" was turned on with a separate switch.

[Krusty]

No practical reason to have it in AH. We get WEP at any alt and any time. Just use the greater-boosting WEP in emergency take-offs... Besides most people will just abuse it to save WEP.

No point in having TWO "WEP-like" systems in the same ride. Only leads to abusing/monkeying/gaming the game.

[MANDO]

Originally posted by Krusty
No practical reason to have it in AH.

Plain wrong.

Lets suppose you have an imaginary plane type X with the following power settings:

1 - 1000 Hp, 100 Gals/Hour, unlimited time (military).
2 - 1400 Hp, 150 Gals/Hour, 20 mins (missing)
3 - 1600 Hp, 200 Gals/Hour, 10 mins (WEP)

For you, power setting 2 has no practical use, right?

[1K3]

lol

then HTC should create a second WEP button

how's that?

again, it would be gamey to have it

[MANDO]

Originally posted by 1K3
then HTC should create a second WEP button

Why? The second powersetting would be full throttle. Only that for this case, full throttle will increase the temperature above normal, as it should be in most planes.

The third power setting is the current wep button.

[straffo]

Originally posted by MANDO
Plain wrong.

Lets suppose you have an imaginary plane type X with the following power settings:

1 - 1000 Hp, 100 Gals/Hour, unlimited time (military).
2 - 1400 Hp, 150 Gals/Hour, 20 mins (missing)
3 - 1600 Hp, 200 Gals/Hour, 10 mins (WEP)

For you, power setting 2 has no practical use, right?

Actually in AH 1 is never used ... at all.

And it's weird.

[Krusty]

No there is NO reason to have an uber power switch.. It's like that Staples (TM) commercial where you have the "easy" button.

Further, no way would you have "emergency takeoff" settings that last 20 minutes.. It would PROBABLY be shorter than WEP duration, and less effective, so just use WEP. The LW planes by far have the best WEP in the game. I love 'em for it too. But asking for this is just like "ooh, I want this! I want this!!" when in fact you already have something better. No offense, just using that as an example.

[Xjazz]

Originally posted by 1K3
lol

then HTC should create a second WEP button

how's that?

again, it would be gamey to have it

Button? What button? I have a WEP on Z-axis, right after the MIL power

[Wotan]

Krusty you don't what you're talking about.

1.42 ata @ 2700 rpm is what Mando wants.

WEP doesn't mean anything.

What the A8 has now is 1.32 ata as max continuous (mil power in AH) and C3 injection (wep button in AH).

What mando is asking is for 1.42 ata @ 2700rpm in between 1.32 ata  and C-3 injection.

The problem is all the data I have seen put 1.42 at 3 min max. I have read anecdotes that say this was extended to 30 or even 40 min but I haven't seen anything on paper that documents 1.42

But how C3 injection works is by injecting fuel into the eye of the supercharger to cool the charge.

Therefore this allows higher boosts (1.58 /1.65) with out the fuel detonating.

The question is could 1.42 ata @ 2700rpm be sustained without the charge needing to be cooled. Just because you could get 1.58 / 1.65 with C3 injection doesn't mean 1.42 ata could be run (or sustained) with out it. As such the 1.42 could just be redundant.

It has nothing to do with 2 weps or an 'uber power switch'.

Unless some one documents that 1.42 ata  could be run more then 3 min without needing C-3 injection then this whole thread is pointless.

[MANDO]

Krusty, real 190A8 had the following "general" powersettings:

1.20 ata, 1360 Hp, 310 mph at sea level (below current military)
1.32 ata, 1550 Hp, 325 mph at sea level (current military, max throttle)
1.42 ata, 1730 Hp, 345 mph at sea level, 146 GPH (MISSING, no way to reach it with throttle)
1.58 ata, 1870 Hp, 360 mph at sea level, 180 GPH (Current WEP)

What you call "uber wep button" is just what we have now.

Now, if you need speed, you jump from 1.32 ata to 1.58 at the cost of 180 GPH, surelly, if you are low on fuel, 1.42 ata at 146 GPH would be more than useful to you.

[1K3]

Originally posted by MANDO
Krusty, real 190A8 had the following "general" powersettings:

1.20 ata, 1360 Hp, 310 mph at sea level (below current military)
1.32 ata, 1550 Hp, 325 mph at sea level (current military, max throttle)
1.42 ata, 1730 Hp, 345 mph at sea level, 146 GPH (MISSING, no way to reach it with throttle)
1.58 ata, 1870 Hp, 360 mph at sea level, 180 GPH (Current WEP)

What you call "uber wep button" is just what we have now.

Now, if you need speed, you jump from 1.32 ata to 1.58 at the cost of 180 GPH, surelly, if you are low on fuel, 1.42 ata at 146 GPH would be more than useful to you.

325/360 with wep is achieved with FULL fuel load right?

[GScholz]

Yes, but fuel load doesn't matter much at those speeds. Parasitic drag is the (by far) dominant factor at high speed.

[Crumpp]

Mando and Grunhertz are correct in the power settings.  

Krusty, what is wrong with modeling an aircraft accurately with the correct numbers?

BTW,  I sent Pyro a copy of the Kommandogerat calibration chart so he can model the correct manifold pressure, prop RPM, and pitch settings.  The Kommandogerat adjusted the prop pitch IAW the RPM/Manifold pressure to keep the engine at optimum performance under real time conditions.  Drawback was the FW-190 was a very squirrely A/C to fly in a precise formation due to everyones engine constantly changing settings.  

Crumpp

[Krusty]

Originally posted by MANDO
Now, if you need speed, you jump from 1.32 ata to 1.58 at the cost of 180 GPH, surelly, if you are low on fuel, 1.42 ata at 146 GPH would be more than useful to you.

But if you're TAKING OFF you have all the gas you need.


See, you would use it as a secondary WEP. It's superflouous, and NOBODY would ever use it for takeoff. They'd only use it to game the game and eek out more WEP (only at lower fuel consumption.


I say leave it off. Fix what NEEDS to be fixed! Then think about anything else.

[Naudet]

Crumpp, was that a calibration chart for the BMW801 only or covering the JUMO213 also?