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Offline Slash27

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« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2005, 10:10:12 PM »
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I forsee usage levels on the new P-38 will be somewhat less than the Ki-84.


I think you may be wrong. They are a blast.

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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2005, 10:35:22 PM »
I love the new 38s.  The G is a VERY comperable (sp?) turner.  It can hold its own against just about any plane in AH as of now.  The J is IMO far superior to the L.  It turns better, is faster, and has a great view to match.

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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2005, 11:15:18 PM »
"And just want does the P-38J do that the P-38L doesn't do better?"

The J model is faster in acceleration than the L model (its weight to engine power is much better than the L model).

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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2005, 01:15:20 AM »
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I love the new 38s.  The G is a VERY comperable (sp?) turner.  It can hold its own against just about any plane in AH as of now.  The J is IMO far superior to the L.  It turns better, is faster, and has a great view to match.



The L is still the better of the three.  While the J might have some performance gain in a slightly higher speed, acceleration and climb rate the P-38L is far more stable and higher and slower speeds.

Having said that, I agree that as the novelty of the new planes wear off there is going to be less usage of the G and J.  You'll most likely them flown by the dedicated P-38 drivers in this game while the more casual P-38 flyer will stick with the P-38L.

Someone asked me if the G turned better than the J and honestly, I couldn't tell if it could or couldn't.  The only 1v1 fight I engaged in was against a P-38G that I had absolutely no troubles in out turning it in the P-38J.  On the basis of that fight I could say no that it doesn't turn better than the J but I probably ran into a less experienced P-38 driver.  Maybe for the casual P-38 driver the (if any) turn performance the P-38G has might give them an increased chance of survival but if they were to run up against an experienced P-38 pilot in the J or L, whatever difference there might be would probably be moot.

If you can already out turn planes in the P-38L, you should have no troubles doing the same against the G or J models.  But that's just my opinion, so YMMV.


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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2005, 01:19:35 AM »
Oh, one more thing.  Just because the G and the J don't have dive flaps, there should be no fear of diving them.  As long as you do not dive the G or J above 20,000ft you shouldn't have to worry about compressability.  If you start your dive below the 20,000ft threshold and start to enter into a high speed buffet, just decrease throttle and use some rudder slip to increase drag and  you'll be able to control the speed of your dive.  Like the P-38L, I was able to get the P-38J to close to 500mph IAS in a dive and pull out easily.  A nudge of positive elevator trim might also aid in the dive recovery but really shouldn't be needed if you take care to control your speed in the dive.


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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2005, 05:49:18 AM »
I augered in this as nicely as any other ones!
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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2005, 09:50:50 AM »
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Just got 11 kills withot being killed in the G

That plane is awesome it turns very good
i already jumped niks and spits with it. It turns with them np.


ill try the J and L later

but to much fun jet in the furballightning

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I flew two sorties in the P-38G. I ended up with 5 kills (four fighters and a C-47), 3 assists, and one dead fighter hanger. Lost the plane to manned ack while de-acking the base.

I flew it the TA prior to going to the MA to work out views and get a feel for it and the P-38J.

My opinion is that the G model's reduced weight allows for better turning and a slightly lower stall speed. This allows you deal with the turn fighters well enough, as long as the fight doesn't spend too much time in the vertical. Climb is comparable to the P-51. Be advised that range is reduced due to having 110 gallons less internal fuel capacity than the J and L. Energy takes longer to build.

I find the P-38J climbs a bit better than the G, is notably faster (about 20-25 mph), but doesn't turn quite as well.

Then we have the P-38L. It outclimbs the other two easily. It accelerates better and can fight better in the vertical.

Over all, compression issues are greatly improved for all P-38s, as is outward visibility.

So, in general the P-38L is improved, the P-38J is very useful and the P-38G is a decent furballer with the ability to carry a very useful bombload. All in all, they will all be fun.

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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2005, 10:03:04 AM »
Is it me or are the G and J's flight models more detailed? The {pree patch} L feels a bit hollow in comparison. Its probably just the power asisted ailerons im not sure.

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« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2005, 10:36:09 AM »
The p38G flat out rules, now you spittards are going to have a large bundle of problems... ;)

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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2005, 01:04:34 PM »
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The p38G flat out rules, now you spittards are going to have a large bundle of problems...


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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2005, 03:51:51 PM »
I remain highly skeptical of the P-38's manueverability.  It just seems to me that a plane with 20+lbs more per square foot of wingloading isn't going to turn as well, regardless of what you do with flaps.  E.g., the P-38 should not turn with a Spitfire, any Spitfire.
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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2005, 04:52:40 PM »
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I remain highly skeptical of the P-38's manueverability.  It just seems to me that a plane with 20+lbs more per square foot of wingloading isn't going to turn as well, regardless of what you do with flaps.  E.g., the P-38 should not turn with a Spitfire, any Spitfire.



I'm with you Karnak, Spits still outturn them quite easily.

Outturning the odd poor spit pilot is not really strong evidence of true plane performance ;)
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« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2005, 04:53:29 PM »
it's the man not the machine   :p
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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2005, 05:17:07 PM »
Karnak, no P-38 can turn with a Spit in the game. However, they can force a gun solution and "stuff in" a shot before having to go easy on the stick to avoid real stall.

 In AH1, almost all planes could do this. Just at the brink of stall, when you need a little bit more lead to hit the target, you can momentarily yank the stick back, take a shot, and ease off.

 In AH2, only the P-38 can do that. Couple that with the efficient flaps, and the P-38 can gain a gun solution against almost any plane, however extremely the target is turning. Most P-38 pilots who can do that easily, also have a keen sense of gunnery in most cases. So once a P-38 grabs somebody by the tail, it will most likely shoot the target down before the turning really gets prolonged and the true difference in turn rates/angles show off.

 This isn't really a "turn" at all, but sort of forcing the pitch angle up over the limit for a short time. If the situation is reversed and an at least decent Spitfire pilot first latches on to a P-38, the P-38 can't really 'outturn' it to safety.

 People usually refer to that situation as "outturning", but it isn't. Force of habit I guess.

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« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2005, 05:24:31 PM »
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Originally posted by Deth7
it's the man not the machine   :p


Think Karnak was comparing the machines - not the men  :)
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