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Offline lasersailor184

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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2005, 02:24:44 AM »
Funny, I haven't yet been embarassed by GWB.
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2005, 09:35:51 AM »
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Clinton embarrassed himself but GWB made the same to your whole country. Small difference.


Please, explain how he embarrassed us?  

I am proud that President Bush stands up for what he believes in, it makes me feel better about the direction this country is headed.  

If you are refering to Iraq, which I am sure you are, tell me where the embarassment exists?  In case you have not heard, Iraq held it's own free elections for the first time in 50 years.  There is no longer a murdering tyrant in power there, with him gone, the truth comes out about the millions of people he brutally murdered.  All this comes out because the US, GB, and a few other nations chose to stand up and say enough is enough.  Far more than the UN ever thought of.  Oh wait, you are still wanting to see a smoking gun, well, the fact remains that we found evidence that Hussein was still pursuing the ability to field WMDs and was just biding time to start the programs again after the UN gave up like it always does.  

Back to this whole embarassment thing?  Exactly why should we be embarassed, when people like you stood by and did nothing while this Sadaam Hussein charade continued.  

IMHO, it is you and people like you that should be embarassed.
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2005, 11:07:46 AM »
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yea but why split hairs over this ;)


Exactly, what's one USMC KIA matter to you, eh? :aok

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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2005, 11:37:18 AM »
Staga likes to give variety in his statements.  Here's an example, using truth and falsehood together quite well:



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Clinton embarrassed himself(true) but GWB made the same to your whole country(false). Small difference.


Edit:  I could care less that Clinton embarrassed himself, he embarrassed everyone in our nation who possessed even a modicum of pride and morality.  Those who weren't embarrassed or offended by his actions are morally corrupt beyond redemption.
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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2005, 11:59:54 AM »
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Exactly, what's one USMC KIA matter to you, eh? :aok


I dont have to justify your statement with a response.....even though I just did.

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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2005, 12:31:42 PM »
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They exist(ed)
Clinton embarrassed us as a nation, and the position of POTUS w/ his adultery.  He perjured himself.....   How can you possibly be so flip about it?  If he were a republican, you'd have demanded impeachement, criminal trails, and a beheading.
As for their existance, there has not been any proof that they did or do. UN weapons inspectors never found any prior to the invasion. Conni Rice's "high grade" aluminum tubes that had absolutely no use other than for enriching uranium turned out not to be so "high grade" and have uses other than nuke.

As for Clinton's witchhunt, that's exactly what it was...a witchhunt. The investigation started with republicans upset over "Whitewater" and wound up with bupkiss. Instead of gracefully admitting defeat, Ken Starr wanted to milk his high paying role as Joseph McCarthy and after finding nothing over and over again finally went with a bit of information aquired illegally (the phone tapes Chewbacca Tripp made) and tried to embarass Clinton personally. It was none of our business what happened between two conscenting adults sexually. There were no laws broken. Did Clinton lie under oath? Yes he did, about his personal life. Did Reagan lie under oath? Yes he did, about drug deals for hostages. Did Nixon lie under oath? No, he knew it was game over and quit.  Bit of a difference, don't you think?

My point being, if it were a republican cheating on his wife, I could care less. It is none of my business.
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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2005, 01:13:36 PM »
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Clinton embarrassed himself but GWB made the same to your whole country. Small difference.


I got an idea how about you worry about your country and when we want your opinion we will promptly invade you in search of WMD's and then ask you for it.

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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2005, 01:14:57 PM »
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I got an idea how about you worry about your country and when we want your opinion we will promptly invade you in search of WMD's and then ask you for it.


I don't see how that's relevent considering the US never did that to anyone.

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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2005, 01:17:48 PM »
I was just trying to make the point that we have taken care of ourselves long enough with out anyones help. I think we have done a damn good job so I just wanted to let outsiders realize that we really dont care what they think.

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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2005, 02:23:43 PM »
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I got an idea how about you worry about your country and when we want your opinion we will promptly invade you in search of WMD's and then ask you for it.


lol man you should write for THE DAILY SHOW

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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2005, 04:51:58 PM »
There were no laws broken. Did Clinton lie under oath? Yes he did, about his personal life.

There are laws against lying under oath and Clinton broke them. he was also impeached for lying to the grand jury, not for getting a blow job.
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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2005, 05:07:18 PM »
As for their existance, there has not been any proof that they did or do. UN weapons inspectors never found any prior to the invasion.

Ask Iranian vets from the Iran-Iraq war if there was any proof that WMD existed. Or maybe ask the Iraqi Kurds.

http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iraq/Chemical/index_2826.html

UNSCOM's final report to the UN Security Council noted a number of outstanding issues arising from efforts to verify the accuracy of Iraq's declarations. These included:

discrepancies regarding Iraq's use of CW during the 1980s
550 artillery shells filled with mustard agent declared to have been lost shortly after the Gulf
a large number of R-400 aerial bombs
a lack of information regarding Iraq's production of VX agent and its plans for the use the agent
inadequate accounts of the disposition of precursors used in the production of VX


On 30 September 2004 the ISG released its final report on Iraq's WMD programs. Its key findings regarding Iraqi chemical weapons programs were as follows.

Saddam never abandoned his intentions to resume a CW effort when sanctions were lifted and conditions were judged favorable.

While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991.

Iraq's CW program was crippled by the Gulf war and the legitimate chemical industry, which suffered under sanctions, only began to recover in the mid-1990s. Subsequent changes in the management of key military and civilian organizations, followed by an influx of funding and resources, provided Iraq with the ability to reinvigorate its industrial base.

The way Iraq organized its chemical industry after the mid-1990s allowed it to conserve the knowledge-base needed to restart a CW program, conduct a modest amount of dual-use research, and partially recover from the decline of its production capability caused by the effects of the Gulf war and UN-sponsored destruction and sanctions.

Iraq constructed a number of new plants starting in the mid-1990s that enhanced its chemical infrastructure, although its overall industry had not fully recovered from the effects of sanctions, and had not regained pre-1991 technical sophistication or production capabilities prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF).

ISG uncovered information that the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) maintained throughout 1991 to 2003 a set of undeclared covert laboratories to research and test various chemicals and poisons, primarily for intelligence operations.

ISG investigated a series of key pre-OIF indicators involving the possible movement and storage of chemical weapons, focusing on 11 major depots assessed to have possible links to CW. A review of documents, interviews, available reporting, and site exploitations revealed alternate, plausible explanations for activities noted prior to OIF which, at the time, were believed to be CW-related.[6]

What should really concern people is the 1.5 tons of VX gas that is unaccounted for. That much VX gas could kill alot of people. I posted links in another thread (the one about Iran) that show just how much of SH's stockpiles are unaccounted for. Some are VX gas precursors.
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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2005, 06:12:40 PM »
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My point being, if it were a republican cheating on his wife, I could care less. It is none of my business.


Look up Senator Packard, see how he got the swift boot for his infidelity

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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2005, 10:04:10 PM »
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Conni Rice's "high grade" aluminum tubes that had absolutely no use other than for enriching uranium turned out not to be so "high grade" and have uses other than nuke.


Hey pull your head out of the sand.  Or is it your ass?  Every relevent nation said they had wmd, INCLUDING  Clinton's administration.  If we were mistaksen about WMD, it wasn't the Bush admin, it was just about every admin.

Can you, just for a moment put aside the fact that you hate Bush and that you are happy no WMD were found so he would look bad to just consider.. for a moment consider, that the Iraqi people are better off now than they were when Saddam was in power? Shall I post pictures of the mass graves, rape rooms, gassed Kurds?   Can you possibly admit that this is ultimately good for Iraq?



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My point being, if it were a republican cheating on his wife, I could care less. It is none of my business.


Well we just differ here.  I prefer my President to be a morally sound and ethical man whereas you could care less.
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« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2005, 10:55:12 PM »
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Hey pull your head out of the sand.  Or is it your ass?  Every relevent nation said they had wmd, INCLUDING  Clinton's administration.  If we were mistaksen about WMD, it wasn't the Bush admin, it was just about every admin.
Show me one Inspector's report saying they were in violation prior to the invasion.
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