Germany's Socialisim, Or how I learned to love democracy.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by patrone
Just because one country in Europe has legalized Prostitution, it does not mean everyone has.

What does that have to do with anything?  I don't recall saying that every country in Europe has legalized prostitution.


Grun,

"Whatever the semantics are here, it's claer the goverment of a modern western european society in 2005 is clearly ordering this to woman to become a potato or face immediate negative social and financial consequences."

So, she doesn't have to follow the order it's not like she will go to jail.  She can always get a job, ya know be responsible for her actions instead of relying on the nanny state to take of here...what the hell are we doing on being on these sides of the debate anyway?

[patrone]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
"A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year."

The governemt is forcing her to accept a job as a potato unless she wants her social and financial benefits eliminated.

LOL, Eurostalker

[GRUNHERZ]

Thrawn the whole point is that the gevernemt is telling her to be a potato, to sell her body to men for sex, or lose the benifits.

The for me problem is one of morals and human rights not one of legality except that thse people have become so amoral that they see nothing wrong in having their governments order women to become potatos or face the loss of benefits the governent has deliberatyly made so vital a part of german life.  Really, where on earth are the womens rights people here with all the history of women being forced into prostitution in the past.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by patrone
LOL, Eurostalker

No worries patrone, nobody is suggesting that that prostitution be outlawed, so be sure your job IS safe.

[patrone]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
No worries patrone, nobody is suggesting that that prostitution be outlawed, so be sure your job IS safe.

Great to hear, GRUN, its outlawed here, you must live in Nevada?

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Thrawn the whole point is that the gevernemt is telling her to be a potato, to sell her body to men for sex, or lose the benifits.

No they aren't, they are asking her to be a potato.  She is free to chose not to be, and to get a job doing something else that she does not find morally repugnant.  Either way she will be off welfare.

[JBA]

Originally posted by Thrawn
....to get a job doing something else that she does not find morally repugnant......

Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.


This is forced sex slavery sanctioned by the gov't. not much better then say turkey or serbia.

[mora]

Originally posted by patrone
Just because one country in Europe has legalized Prostitution, it does not mean everyone has. In my country, they jail both the customer and the prostitute, mostly the girl gets off with a warning and the guy has to shake some bars.

I visited germany in 1983, I am pretty sure prostitution was legal then. The article is just BS, thats my point. And that fits my Agenda even better.

Prostitution is legal in most countries in Europe(is it actually illegal in anywhere else than Sweden?). Brothels are illegal in most countries but in several they are legal and overlooked in most others.

[Estel]

Originally posted by Suave
Socialism is for people who allways want to have a mommy so that they don't have to deal with the consequences of their economic failures.

That's why it allways leads to national financial ruin.

It's only one side. The other side is social guaranties to all citizens. Such as free education and medicine. This is the way, when you do not need to think, "what if I'll be fired tomorrow".

And this not lead to financial ruin always. We have examples. If you want to point it in example of Soviet Union, you are not right. The main reason of financial problem was "Cold War". And our money relief to other countries from one side and our goverment wich destroyed the whole socialism-communism idea by their burocratia and corruption.

[CyranoAH]

I'd like to hear the opinion of our german posters... my guess is there's more to this story than it seems.

Daniel

[Monk]

Originally posted by CyranoAH
I'd like to hear the opinion of our german posters... my guess is there's more to this story than it seems.

Daniel

Nope, that's pretty much it.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by JBA
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/30/wgerm30.xml

A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.

Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit

Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.

The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centres must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse.

Geeze! Amazing their "rational" excuse for (not) excluding prostitution.
LOL, this whole policy is morally corrupt.
This essentially forces the woman to demean herself by selling her body or cut off her temporary food and rent money (just a guess). It would be different if their were good job opportunities everywhere, but this just opens up a whole can of worms. What's next, a bio lab guinea pig? It's a job after all, eh?

edit..working in the sex industry is hardly safe. She could get exposed to many STD's particularly HIV. She could get pregnant, most likely forcing her to have an abortion.

[SunTracker]

Alright guys, I need 10 volunteers to help me get the Memphis Belle cleaned up and ready to go.  Looks like Germany needs a little 'help' treating its population right, again.

[AWMac]

A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.

Wait....if she is a "25-year-old waitress" isn't she "employed" at the moment.  Or is it that she was a "unemployed waitress" and
was offered a job as a "waitress" at the brothel but refused because of conditions at the potential work place?

And did she leave a contact number?

[Gh0stFT]

Originally posted by JBA
Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.


This is forced sex slavery sanctioned by the gov't. not much better then say turkey or serbia.

JBA spreading this BS here does make you look cool ?

sorry but LOL!